Jake Huether Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Well, brougth on my ICTHUS, I would like to discuss the specifics of the Incarnation in comparison to Transubstantiation. God became fully God/fully man in Christ Jesus. The bread and wine become fully Christ Jesus in the Eucharist. Now, what I wan't to discuss is this: In Transubstantiation, the bread and wine no longer exist. It is God the Son in His fullness. Although, the accidents of bread and wine remain. I think "accidents" means the physical scientific structure (is that right). So that the substance (e.g. tranSUBSTANT...) of bread and wine no longer exist, it is God. In the Incarnation, God became man. The elements of man became God, in otherwords. Although the nature of man still exists, so that Christ is fully man / fully God. The difference in the Eucharist is that only the Substance is God, while the accidents remain bread and wine. In the Incarnation, Jesus had both human accidents and substance and at the same time the accidents and substance was God. We might also consider that the bread and wine are unique in that they don't have a soul and spirit. In the Incarnation, human soul and spirit were effected too. What are the "accidents" of a human? Would these include the soul and spirit? Or are the soul and spirit purely substance? My main point I guess is to try to research the significance of the two with respect to eachother. I know the significance of the two on their own. But are they connected in a way which we might not yet fully understand? Let's get deep... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 This in the Incarnation every atom of Christ's being would have been fully material and at the same time fully divine, indivisible, as fire is from a burning log (or bush). In transubstantiation, every atom of the host becomes the 2nd person of the trinity. The bread is no longer bread, it its God. Although the atoms are still set up in the way the host has always looked, by the power of God they have ceased to be bread, but have become His Son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-I---Love Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 We might also consider that the bread and wine are unique in that they don't have a soul and spirit. In the Incarnation, human soul and spirit were effected too. What are the "accidents" of a human? Would these include the soul and spirit? Or are the soul and spirit purely substance? So IS the soul and spirit of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 So IS the soul and spirit of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist? Yes.Body Blood Soul and Divinity in the traditional answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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