Homosexual Priests..

[Carolou]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Dec 17 2005, 09:56 AM']because it's important to know the psychological mindset/stability of a would-be-priest... knowing more now would prevent further issues later on.
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ohhh, thanks

[Nathan]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Dec 17 2005, 07:47 AM']what?
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I guess I just don't buy the whole "cured homosexual" thing. Anything is possible with God, yes, but I think such a case would be quite rare indeed.

[Aloysius]

whether or not such a case is rare is impossible to tell. I submit to you that anyone who was truly a "cured" homosexual would not identify themself as a "cured homosexual", because the whole problem probably escalated when they began allowing anything in that regard be part of their self-definition, and as such it would be just as bad to define themselves as ex-homosexual as it was to define themselves previously as homosexual.

but if by "cured" you mean-- no longer identifies themself as a homosexual, then yes. One cannot self-identify as a "gay man" and still be admitted to the priesthood, regardless of whether they intend to be celibate. That would constitute a grave misunderstanding of the nature of man which would make many problems for him.

But someone who has such attractions, so long as they are celibate for at least 3 years and do not identify themself as a homosexual, can be ordained a priest.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i don't believe that someone is born a homosexual. its a physchological problem. And i think that GOd can heal a person with this problem. From what i understand this is the traditional understanding of this problem.

[prose]

Not necessarily... I believe that there are both scenarios. I believe for some it is a hedonistic choice and for others it is a genetic problem. There are places within the Catholic Church that are accepting of Catholic gay people... For instance there are gay support groups for homosexuals that choose not to live what they feel are their sexual tendencis, rather they choose celibacy.

The catechism even insists that gays “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”

and Pope John Paul II said [quote]“Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder. Therefore special concern and pastoral attention should be directed to those who have this condition, lest they be led to believe that the living out of this orientation in homosexual activity is a morally acceptable option. It is not.”[/quote]

Nothing about it being a choice. The Church hasn't said whether they believe that it is nature or nurture.

[Nathan]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Dec 17 2005, 02:17 PM']i don't believe that someone is born a homosexual. its a physchological problem. And i think that GOd can heal a person with this problem. From what i understand this is the traditional understanding of this problem.
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Oh, I also see homosexuality as a psychological problem. But many psychological problems are genetic -- that is, people are born with a predisposition toward them.

On homosexuality, science is pointing to genetics more and more everyday.

Edited December 18, 2005 by Nathan

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Nathan' date='Dec 17 2005, 07:57 PM']Oh, I also see homosexuality as a psychological problem. But many psychological problems are genetic -- that is, people are born with a predisposition toward them.

On homosexuality, science is pointing to genetics more and more everyday.
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I make no pretense to be an expert on this subject, but I have always regarded along the same lines of alcoholism (without getting into the disease aspect of it). Some people are born with, as you said, a predisposition towards it that makes it necessary to recongize the triggers and avoid them much like alcoholism. Once one realizes that one could be at risk of developing alcoholism because of genetics, one must be prudent in his decisions. I do not mean this to be a strict analogy, but that is how I understand things.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Nathan' date='Dec 17 2005, 07:57 PM']Oh, I also see homosexuality as a psychological problem. But many psychological problems are genetic -- that is, people are born with a predisposition toward them.

On homosexuality, science is pointing to genetics more and more everyday.
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There remains zero evidence that homosexuality is genetically predetermined.
If curious, run a search on this topic here. I grow tired of endlessly repeating myself.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=27951"]Old thread on this topic here.[/url]

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Nathan' date='Dec 17 2005, 08:57 PM']Oh, I also see homosexuality as a psychological problem. But many psychological problems are genetic -- that is, people are born with a predisposition toward them.

On homosexuality, science is pointing to genetics more and more everyday.
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Actually, 80% of homosexual men had some traumatic experience when they were little involving an older male.

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 17 2005, 07:02 PM']There remains zero evidence that homosexuality is genetically predetermined. 
If curious, run a search on this topic here.  I grow tired of endlessly repeating myself.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=27951"]Old thread on this topic here.[/url]
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And [b]I[/b] get tired of reiterating [i]my[/i] points that it's quite likely that there is some genetic component to a portion of the homosexual community.

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=40026&hl=penguins"]Old thread on this topic here[/url]


heh

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

well

from what i understand there is no such thing as a gay gene, because homosexuality is too complex of actions.

[Nathan]

[quote name='missionseeker' date='Dec 17 2005, 11:30 PM']Actually, 80% of homosexual men had some traumatic experience when they were little involving an older male.
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Are you sure about that, Kinsey? 80% is a pretty high number.

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Dec 18 2005, 04:12 AM']well

from what i understand there is no such thing as a gay gene, because homosexuality is too complex of actions.
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Of COURSE there isn't a 'gay gene'. Try going to the thread I linked to. "Genetic predispositions" does not equal 'a gay gene'.

Anyone who claims there is a gay gene is a blithering idiot.

Edited December 19, 2005 by Cow of Shame