Home Schooling

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 13 2005, 06:17 PM']Homeschooling is only worth what you put into it.
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absulutely
and i have seen many many people get a great return on thier investment (of time and effort)
i have seen one piss-poor homeschool job - and the return will be very sad...

everyone else i know that home schools makes a great investment of time and effort though - and there are several at my parish
and they get together and use the parish school gym - and sports program
its awesome

im all for home-schooling
it should be an option open to every one

[Iacobus]

I am going to send my kids to an elite private school with tutition costs over 20,000 dollars a year to express my socialist side.

Yeah, sure.

I don't support homeschooling for a number of reasons. One is acadmic. While a parent can easily teach one advanced subject or can teach all the subjects at an early age, it is more likely to be of greater depth if the teacher really cares about the subject and is trained extensively in that subject (:cough: Bio majors SHOULD NOT be teaching chemistry or physics, pet pev :cough:). The advantage of a formal school is that they have to hire these "trained" people for each subject and you are more likely to get someone well versed in that field teaching your child. I would much rather have E.O. Wilson teaching Little Iacoba (who is a Periodic Table and my daughter... long story) then, say, Robert Kaplan. With Dr. Wilson they are more likely to fully explore the subject and also I can rest assued that their tutor fully understands that subject he is teaching.

Social reasons are the secondary reason I don't support home schooling. I have meet a number of people who have turned out rather well from home schooling, I have meet an disprop. number, when compered to formally educated students, that lack a number of social schools. They often lack clarity and brevity in speech and writing and have a decided lack of articulateness. There is often an odd air around them in a number of their behaviors.

While many homeschoolers are moving into community based learn things, they are often still found lacking. They are often not exposed to radically opposing ideas and if the reason they are being homeschooled is to avoid these ideas, then, my friends, lets not kid ourselves and call it an education but rather by its real name, indoctrination.

[homeschoolmom]

[Era Might]

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[missionseeker]

[quote name=Church Punk,Dec 13 2005, 04:19 PM]
However I have a question in regards to credentials for home school teaching, how can a Mom or Dad teach their children especially in High School on a subject that they are really unfamiliar with? Say if both parents have a poor understanding of mathematics, how is their child supposed to learn algebra or calculus then?
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My sister taught herself trig (correctly, too I might add). Altough, I am definitely not a math brain, I have taught myself highschool (actually, it was a college text book and we didn't know it) math. If we need help, there are resources.

[quote name='Church Punk' date='Dec 13 2005, 04:39 PM']I would totally do fun experiments all the time. Take them rock climbing to learn of physics, geology, and ecology!

Man that would be sweet! I wish I was homeschooled!
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[quote name='Era Might' date='Dec 13 2005, 06:20 PM']I don't have any personal experience with homeschooling, but personally, I would prefer to attend a real school. There's something about the social interaction that is irreplaceable. But, I respect how other people school their children.
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My public shcool socialization was a nightmare. And I only went untill the 6th grade.

[quote name='Era Might' date='Dec 13 2005, 06:34 PM']I didn't say they were locked in the room.

Rather, I said that the social experience of a real school is something unique. It's something that is separate from home life in a way that social activities are not. Six hours a day, for most of the year, your life is at school. It's a microcosm of the real world, and teaches valuable social skills. The process of going to school, getting through the year with your classmates, with your friends, communicates a certain independence from your home life, and from your parents.

I have no doubt home school kids can be sociable and well-adjusted. Personally, however, I feel a real school is a more effective option to that end.
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It's unique all right. You only talk to "your friends", you cannot talk to anybody not in your grade, if a younger sibling and her friends talk to you and you talk back, you are shunned. There isn't real socialization.

I have been to many state wide youth conferences. I have friends all over the state.
Lots of times I am so busy that my parents don't really see me for weeks; they drop me off, pick up. Some times I am actually gone for weeks at a time. (Doing social stuff and extra curricular stuff like sending the Governor proposals)

I wouldn't go back to public shool if I was paid. (And I almost think that some people at my old school [i]would[/i] have paid me to stay)

[Socrates]

[quote name='Iacobus' date='Dec 13 2005, 07:30 PM']I am going to send my kids to an elite private school with tutition costs over 20,000 dollars a year to express my socialist side.

Yeah, sure.

I don't support homeschooling for a number of reasons. One is acadmic. While a parent can easily teach one advanced subject or can teach all the subjects at an early age, it is more likely to be of greater depth if the teacher really cares about the subject and is trained extensively in that subject (:cough: Bio majors SHOULD NOT be teaching chemistry or physics, pet pev :cough:). The advantage of a formal school is that they have to hire these "trained" people for each subject and you are more likely to get someone well versed in that field teaching your child. I would much rather have E.O. Wilson teaching Little Iacoba (who is a Periodic Table and my daughter... long story) then, say, Robert Kaplan. With Dr. Wilson they are more likely to fully explore the subject and also I can rest assued that their tutor fully understands that subject he is teaching.

Social reasons are the secondary reason I don't support home schooling. I have meet a number of people who have turned out rather well from home schooling, I have meet an disprop. number, when compered to formally educated students, that lack a number of social schools. They often lack clarity and brevity in speech and writing and have a decided lack of articulateness. There is often an odd air around them in a number of their behaviors.

While many homeschoolers are moving into community based learn things, they are often still found lacking. They are often not exposed to radically opposing ideas and if the reason they are being homeschooled is to avoid these ideas, then, my friends, lets not kid ourselves and call it an education but rather by its real name, indoctrination.
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I'll start out by saying that I'm neither fanatically for, nor categorically against homeschooling. Like I said, homeschooling is only worth what you put into it. (And I'd say not all parents and families are cut out for homeshooling.) The same can be said of other schools -some are excellent, while others are miserable failures.

But as one who was homeschooled myself during my highschool years, and having known many homeschoolers, and having worked grading homeschool papers, I believe I have more first-hand knowledge on this topic than most. And I believe Iacobus' post shows a distinct prejudice and lack of knowledge.

First, with regards to academics, the fact is that statistically, as a group, homeschoolers consistantly out-perform their public-school peers academically and on standardized tests such as the SAT by a large margin, and even do better than many private-schooled kids. To claim that homeschoolers as a group are poorly educated and ignorant is, well, poorly educated and ignorant.

And it is not uncommon for homeschoolers to take community college courses or go to a knowlegable tutor for specialized subjects such as science, etc.

And the "social skills" issue is something that is often overblown. This really varies by individual familes. Most homeschoolers I know do not keep their children in total isolation, and they are not noticably different than non-homeschooled kids. In college, for the most part, there was no obvious way of telling homeschoolers from non-homeschoolers.
The main differences I've noticed with homeschooled kids I know is that they tend to be more polite, more respectful, and more at ease with people of a variety of different ages.
My father teaches at a college, and some of the best writers have been homeschooled. I myself was homeschoooled, and got high grades on my written papers.

And the point about "indoctrination" is rather silly as a blanket statement.
Are kids in a public school in which all talk of religion is forbidden, and where liberal, politically correct ideas are pressed, any less indoctrinated??
And children are being formed in their beliefs at this time. It is important to first teach them true beliefs so that later in life they will have a firm foundation to defend against "radically opposing ideas." To say that young children and teenagers must have to be taught "radically opposing ideas" while their minds and world-views are still being formed is absurd. People who were given a sound Catholic grounding early in life are less likely to lose the faith than those who were not.
This is just typical of the hypocrisy of liberals who consider teaching children conservative or religious beliefs "indoctrination," but consider teaching them liberal, secularist beliefs "education."

[scardella]

Most of the homeschooled peeps I've met have been socially well-adjusted and have generally done decently in college. It's certainly not any worse than what I've seen from other places.

That nervous tic they all have, though, is kinda wierd...

[Christie_M]

[quote name='Church Punk' date='Dec 13 2005, 12:53 PM']I notice that a few people on here seem to support home schooling. (homeschoolmom) HAHAH.

Anyway, I guess I am new to this concept as I personally know of no one that has done this before. I was just wondering what your opinion on this would be and reason for it.

If any of you are involved in home schooling what is your take on this compared to a Catholic school for your children or self?
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I'm being homeshooled at the moment. I love it!
I think that homeschooling is alot better than going to a "real" school.
1. You get to spend quality time with your siblings and parents.
2. you don't have to realy go through being stuffed in lockers. lol
3. you don't realy get "social" with other ppl, but that's why you have 8 brothers and sisters!
4. usualy when you homeschool, you do your schooling at your own pace!
I think that the children grow up to be better people.

But then again, your getting an opinion from a homeschooler. So I'm saying nice stuff about it. hehe

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*grabs popcorn her self*

[franciscanheart]

its interesting to see the stigmatisms associated with both methods of schooling and from both sides of the argument. i went to both a private and public school. i know for certain it isnt always what homeschoolers make it out to be (not that all homeschoolers have a skewed idea of what 'normal' school is... they have the same bias i believe as those who go to a public or private school and talk about homeschooling)

[Christie_M]

hehe. no I was jokeing about the lockers.
I don't have that kind of idea of public or privet school. I think I would be fun to go to one for a week or so. Just to see how it's like. *sigh*

[franciscanheart]

Don't worry Christie, I wasn't talking about your locker thing I was referring more to comments made by Socrates (and others I have met with similar opinions).

[Christie_M]

oooOOOooo. lol

[Socrates]

[quote name='hugheyforlife' date='Dec 13 2005, 09:25 PM']Don't worry Christie, I wasn't talking about your locker thing I was referring more to comments made by Socrates (and others I have met with similar opinions).
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Would you care to specify?

[franciscanheart]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Dec 13 2005, 09:28 PM']Would you care to specify?
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[quote]School is not "real life." People are artificially herded together in groups of the same age, often without anything meaningful to do. What results is much mindless cliquishness, ostracizing, and bullying, while time is wasted on worrying about being in the "right" clique, wearing the "right" clothes, and listening to the "right" music, as well as the pressures of drugs, sex, etc.

This time would be better spent doing something real and productive.[/quote]
that.

[Tony]

geez Im the biggest double poster on the history of phatmass.. sorry kids