jiyoung Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 They could be like the Phantom of the Opera. "I am the mask you wear" becomes far more literal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 oy gevalt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 JMJ 12/11 - Gaudete Sunday As far as I'm aware, organ transplants are considered legit, aren't they? Why wouldn't this be fine as well? Or perhaps I should scratch the "organ donor" mark off of my driver's license? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 11, 2005 Author Share Posted December 11, 2005 [url="http://www.lifestudies.org/jp/noshihantai.htm"]http://www.lifestudies.org/jp/noshihantai.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 So now the Church says no to organ donation? Does this mean if we need an organ transplant that we need to refuse on religious grounds? Upon reading further I saw this statement: [quote]establishing, according to clearly determined parameters commonly held by the international scientific community, the complete and irreversible cessation of all brain activity (in the cerebrum, cerebellum, and brain stem).[/quote] So, we just need to verify that this criteria is met and then it is acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 JMJ 12/11 - Gaudete Sunday Laying aside the question of "brain death", can vital organs be removed from the body after clinical death but before somatic cell death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Why is taking the face off of someone else rubbing me the wrong way? Transplants are one thing: heart, liver, etc, [i]but faces[/i]? And correct me if I'm wrong, but when did a "face" become a " vital organ"? To me, you can live without it, unlike a heart, liver or kidney. (or get some surgery done on your face.) There are alternatives. To me it's stripping the human dignity of the person when we allow someone to strip the face off of someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 Did you see the transplant? It wasn't a face, really. I dog had mauled her when she was unconscious after an overdose and she lost her nose, chin, and jaw. she had nothing left on her face. I am not sure she could survive or not, but she certainly doesn't look pretty, so it wasn't for cosmetics. It was more to give her use of her lower face. ****** So on another note, I still don't understand. Does the Church reject transplants? Are we supposed to oppose them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 (edited) the fact that is being debated is "brain death" and the ethical use of transplants. This is a new transplant. Transplants are okay if done ethically as stated, but this recent transplant has come under fire for being unethical. The Church sets the criteria, the problem is when the scientific and health feild don't agree on the set criteria. So they take off the face of someone to put pieces back together? I'm not trying to be unsensitive, but I've seen pictures of people without those, most notably when I was doing research on climbers from Mt. Everest who had gotten extreme frostbite. The problem is when they take a face (pieces, a whole face, does it matter?) from someone else, because they claim they are "dead". As stated, the criteria for "brain death" varies greatly from the U.S. and Europe. And that's scary. Edited December 12, 2005 by jmjtina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 i don't see what the big deal is with the immunosuppressants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted December 12, 2005 Share Posted December 12, 2005 JMJ 12/12 - Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe Does "brain death" include clinical death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 12, 2005 Author Share Posted December 12, 2005 no. Did you read the link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 JMJ 12/12 - Nuestra Señora de Guadalupe Yes, I read it, and I got the feeling that it was about what constitutes brain death. Since the definition seemed so fluid, I didn't know whether it could include clinical death. So, my question is, is it ethical to remove vital organs from someone who has entered clinical death but not somatic cell death? Or are organs useless by this time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Dec 10 2005, 11:28 AM']I didn't initially have a problem with the woman having a face transplant -- until reading that it was from a live donor. Eww. [right][snapback]819665[/snapback][/right] [/quote] oh, me also i thought is was kinda cool... but now i love how it is decided ahead of time how a story will be presented by the msm, and facts and details that come up after the fact are ignored grrrrrr... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 related Onion News: [quote][b]Autopsy Reveals Subject Was Still Alive When Autopsy Began[/b] County coroner James Hextall announced Monday that a thorough autopsy of C. W. Milodragovitch, a local tavern owner pulled from an automobile accident last Saturday night, revealed that the man had been alive at the start of the autopsy. "Our findings reveal that Mr. Milodragovitch lost a great deal of blood from a very deep Y-shaped incision in his torso, which extended from his shoulders to the pubic bone," Hextall said. "There is also evidence of defensive wounds on the fingers, most likely produced from fighting off a scalpel, and the wrists show ligature abrasions where the subject resisted being restrained to an examination table and having his still-beating heart removed and weighed." The sheriff's office has ruled the death an accident pending an autopsy.[/quote] [url="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/43453"]article here[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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