Collegeville Bible commentary?

[shortnun]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 6 2005, 07:22 PM']My main advice to anyone thinking of delving into modern biblical scholarship:

Read "Divino Afflante Spiritu" by Pius XII and "Providentissimus Deus" by Leo XIII.
Read "Dei Verbum" of Vatican II.
Read "The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" by the Pontifical BIblical Commission.
Read "Sancta Mater Ecclessia", again by the Pontifical Biblical Commission.
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[b]Excellent advice! [/b] Aaaaaaaaand, all those documents can be found in one book (or online, if you feel like looking them up).

Bechard, Dean P., trans., ed.[u]The Scripture Documents: An Anthology of Official Catholic Teachings[/u]. Collegeville,MN: The Liturgical Press, 2002.

It contains every conciliar, papal, and curial document on biblical interpretation and teachings. (And for those concerned, it does contain [i]Imprimi Potest[/i], [i]Nihil Obstat[/i], and [i]Impramatur[/i].) Truly a wonderful book to add to your shelves.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='shortnun' date='Dec 6 2005, 06:29 PM'][b]Excellent advice! [/b] Aaaaaaaaand, all those documents can be found in one book (or online, if you feel like looking them up).

Bechard, Dean P., trans., ed.[u]The Scripture Documents: An Anthology of Official Catholic Teachings[/u]. Collegeville,MN: The Liturgical Press, 2002.

It contains every conciliar, papal, and curial document on biblical interpretation and teachings. (And for those concerned, it does contain [i]Imprimi Potest[/i], [i]Nihil Obstat[/i], and [i]Impramatur[/i].) Truly a wonderful book to add to your shelves.
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sweet! and ironic that I was just bashing the liturgical press.. haha

perhaps I should further qualify my prior statements by pointing out that I was talking about their biblical commentary series (which has been virtually useless to me), not everything that they publish. They have plenty of good books.

[Jaime]

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collegeville, collegeville, collegeville...
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God bless you

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 6 2005, 06:06 PM']Gosh.. I feel mean.. I shouldn't be so sweeping in my condemnation. There is some good stuff to be found.

I was just never able to get into them, and I have seen weird things. I recall one commentary explaining how the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality was because of the social norm of the time, not because homosexuality is actually immoral.
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I know that when Pope Benedict was Cardinal Ratzinger he made them stop printing stuff because it was so out of line. That was the thing that our Bishop recalled when Pope Benedict was elected...gosh, aren't I lucky to be so close to Collegeville?

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 6 2005, 07:22 PM']My main advice to anyone thinking of delving into modern biblical scholarship:

Read "Divino Afflante Spiritu" by Pius XII and "Providentissimus Deus" by Leo XIII.
Read "Dei Verbum" of Vatican II.
Read "The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church" by the Pontifical BIblical Commission.
Read "Sancta Mater Ecclessia", again by the Pontifical Biblical Commission.

Read these documents carefully so that you can discern when a piece of Biblical scholarship is in line with the Church and when it isn't.
Hopefully this is an important question to you (namely the catholicity of "Catholic" scholarship), sadly I find it is often far from the mind of many "Catholic" scholars out there. But this should not be a great surprise considering the spirit of dissent that has been rampant for some time.

God bless.
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Shew, I've read most of those for PBS I. I have the New Jerome commentary, but I've heard bad things about Brown. Unorthodoxy annoys me. I'm going to have to write the commentary of all commentaries. : hehe. I don't particularly like Navarre for Bible study, though it has come in handy on occassion when I want a quote from the Fathers to back up my point, other than that I haven't found any use for it, and I especially don't like the first volume and some of the positions it takes, but I do have the Gospels and Acts, and St. Paul's letters which is a fairly new version.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 6 2005, 09:54 PM']Shew, I've read most of those for PBS I. I have the New Jerome commentary, but I've heard bad things about Brown. Unorthodoxy annoys me. I'm going to have to write the commentary of all commentaries. : hehe. I don't particularly like Navarre for Bible study, though it has come in handy on occassion when I want a quote from the Fathers to back up my point, other than that I haven't found any use for it, and I especially don't like the first volume and some of the positions it takes, but I do have the Gospels and Acts, and St. Paul's letters which is a fairly new version.
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Chilax, I was addressing the general public, or rather those who might be reading this thread and wondering where they should get started. I actually assumed you were already familiar with those documents. :

About Brown (and others): when I read their stuff and see nothing in their methodology that distinguishes them from liberal protestants, I don't consider the material to be Catholic scholarship.

I can appreciate someone trying to be an "objective" scholar and trying to engage Biblical scholarship on all levels (Catholic, protestant, agnostic, etc.), but checking your faith at the door is no way to penetrate the mysteries of Scripture.

I would give examples of problems I have encountered in Brown's books, but I fear it would scandalize the youngins on this site. Some things aren't worthy of reproduction. But in essence, my problem is the methodology. The approach outlined by the magisterium and the pontifical biblical commission is quite "objective" enough I'd say. Some people just try too hard I guess. hehe

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='shortnun' date='Dec 6 2005, 08:29 PM']Excellent advice!  Aaaaaaaaand, all those documents can be found in one book ([i][b]or online, if you feel like looking them up[/b][/i]). [right][snapback]814042[/snapback][/right][/quote]
you rang?

for the church documents that pertain to biblical scholarship, go here:

The Bible --> Hermeneutics and Exegesis --> Church Documents:
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/710"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/710[/url]

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[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Dec 6 2005, 11:54 PM']Shew, I've read most of those for PBS I. I have the New Jerome commentary, but I've heard bad things about Brown. Unorthodoxy annoys me. I'm going to have to write the commentary of all commentaries. : hehe. I don't particularly like Navarre for Bible study, though it has come in handy on occassion when I want a quote from the Fathers to back up my point, other than that I haven't found any use for it, and I especially don't like the first volume and some of the positions it takes, but I do have the Gospels and Acts, and St. Paul's letters which is a fairly new version.[right][snapback]814380[/snapback][/right][/quote]
what exactly don't you like about the navarre? i've never found anything wrong w/ it.....

[Laudate_Dominum]

wow! you rock my socks!!

phatcatholic for church faithful!!!

[phatcatholic]

haha, u kill me dude

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 7 2005, 01:05 AM']Chilax, I was addressing the general public, or rather those who might be reading this thread and wondering where they should get started. I actually assumed you were already familiar with those documents. :

About Brown (and others): when I read their stuff and see nothing in their methodology that distinguishes them from liberal protestants, I don't consider the material to be Catholic scholarship.

I can appreciate someone trying to be an "objective" scholar and trying to engage Biblical scholarship on all levels (Catholic, protestant, agnostic, etc.), but checking your faith at the door is no way to penetrate the mysteries of Scripture.

I would give examples of problems I have encountered in Brown's books, but I fear it would scandalize the youngins on this site. Some things aren't worthy of reproduction. But in essence, my problem is the methodology. The approach outlined by the magisterium and the pontifical biblical commission is quite "objective" enough I'd say. Some people just try too hard I guess. hehe
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PM me please. This is something I should probably know about since Brown's book is a bestseller here.

Edited December 7, 2005 by Brother Adam

[phatcatholic]

i have a whole entry on him

Fr. Raymond Brown
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/698"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/698[/url]

[shortnun]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 8 2005, 03:32 AM']i have a whole entry on him

Fr. Raymond Brown
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/698"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/698[/url]
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May the souls of all the departed, through the mercy of Christ, rest in peace. Amen.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 8 2005, 02:32 AM']i have a whole entry on him

Fr. Raymond Brown
[url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/698"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/698[/url]
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omgosh! you rock!!!

phatcatholic for church militant!!!!

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='shortnun' date='Dec 8 2005, 09:11 AM']May the souls of all the departed, through the mercy of Christ, rest in peace. Amen.[right][snapback]816624[/snapback][/right][/quote]
thank you for this. i certainly did not mean to make light of his death.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 9 2005, 12:31 AM']thank you for this. i certainly did not mean to make light of his death.
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I know a priest who was a friend of Fr. Raymond Brown, and he told me that he had a strong devotion to Our Lady. I'm sure she took good care of him in his final hours.

Actually, from the things this priest told me, it is even more hard for me to comprehend how he could have worn that agnostic scholar hat. People are complex I suppose.