Laudate_Dominum Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 I am convinced that the primary sense of the woman clothed with the sun in Revelation 12 is that it refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary. My hope is that there are people on phatmass who disagree and would be willing to offer cogent arguments for their own position. I go so far as to suggest that Rev 12 is a sort of biblical "proof text" for such things as Our Lady's assumption, queenship and spiritual maternity. I realize such a conclusion is controversial even within modern Catholic biblical scholarship. Nonetheless, I'm quite confident that I'm right. Well, anyone wanna give it a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 (edited) Yes it is the Blessed Virgin Mary and the crescent moon under her feet is the same crescent moon of islam. Meaning The Virgin Mary and the Church will conquer islam. Sorry a little off topic but, that's my interpretation of the moon. Our Lady of guadelupe so fits the description. Edited December 3, 2005 by MC Just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 i have heard that the woman is the church. I have also heard that the woman is judaism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 I have heard that Revelation is an allegory of the political situation of the Church at the time of its writing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 There is truth to both those views. But they aren't the whole story, just a narrow view. And usually the Judaism thing usually means like a faithful remnant of Israel. The eschatological community and jazz. hehe. I'll get into all this stuff once my unknown adversary appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 (edited) [quote name='MC Just' date='Dec 3 2005, 10:11 AM']Yes it is the Blessed Virgin Mary and the crescent moon under her feet is the same crescent moon of islam. Meaning The Virgin Mary and the Church will conquer islam. [right][snapback]809506[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Good luck with that, conquering the islams....lol I mean you do realize that you worship the same god right? Mc Just are you one of those people that thinks god is going to smite people for choosing the wrong religion? Edited December 3, 2005 by PadreSantiago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Dec 3 2005, 09:42 AM']Good luck with that, conquering the islams....lol [right][snapback]809535[/snapback][/right] [/quote] hehehe. I hope you aren't going to argue that Bush is the woman of Rev 12. just a dumb joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 mawahaha of course not because I think bush is the anti-christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Dec 3 2005, 09:45 AM']mawahaha of course not because I think bush is the anti-christ [right][snapback]809539[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Maybe he's a Jesuit double-agent, and 9/11, the war in Iraq, etc. was orchestrated by the Vatican as phase one of a master plan to bring about a new inquisition and a one world government. Stay tuned for the ground breaking comic book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 3 2005, 10:55 AM']Maybe he's a Jesuit double-agent, and 9/11, the war in Iraq, etc. was orchestrated by the Vatican as phase one of a master plan to bring about a new inquisition and a one world government. Stay tuned for the ground breaking comic book. [right][snapback]809547[/snapback][/right] [/quote] haha close! Maybe if you replace the vatican with Karl Rove and Johnsonville brat Cheney all of a sudden it doesn't seem so far fetched. George bush sr. sure did like to talk about his "new world order" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Dec 3 2005, 10:12 AM']haha close! Maybe if you replace the vatican with Karl Rove and Johnsonville brat Cheney all of a sudden it doesn't seem so far fetched. George bush sr. sure did like to talk about his "new world order" [right][snapback]809559[/snapback][/right] [/quote] this guy on the street handed me a DVD that was putting forth a theory like that. it was very poorly done though so it didn't strike me as very convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 truthfully I don't think Bush is all that evil he's just really really really really really really really really really really really really stupid he's just a puppet. Karl Rove and Johnsonville brat Cheney are running the show regardless of who you think was behind 911. Personally I find it hard to believe these people hijacked planes with box cutters and no one tried to stop them and the government didn't just shoot the planes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cre8d4Youth Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 3 2005, 09:04 AM']I am convinced that the primary sense of the woman clothed with the sun in Revelation 12 is that it refers to the Blessed Virgin Mary. My hope is that there are people on phatmass who disagree and would be willing to offer cogent arguments for their own position. I go so far as to suggest that Rev 12 is a sort of biblical "proof text" for such things as Our Lady's assumption, queenship and spiritual maternity. I realize such a conclusion is controversial even within modern Catholic biblical scholarship. Nonetheless, I'm quite confident that I'm right. Well, anyone wanna give it a go? [right][snapback]809504[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Man, there is so much I want to write on this LD, but I have to get to work, I hopefully will be able to post tonight when I get home. I agree (sorry, can't argue with you too much LOL) but I have a couple other insights you might find interesting and I'd like your input on! TTYL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted December 3, 2005 Author Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='Cre8d4Youth' date='Dec 3 2005, 01:13 PM']Man, there is so much I want to write on this LD, but I have to get to work, I hopefully will be able to post tonight when I get home. I agree (sorry, can't argue with you too much LOL) but I have a couple other insights you might find interesting and I'd like your input on! TTYL! [right][snapback]809760[/snapback][/right] [/quote] sweet. I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted December 3, 2005 Share Posted December 3, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 3 2005, 09:04 AM']Well, anyone wanna give it a go? [right][snapback]809504[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No, not really. Every argument that I can think of is too easily refuted. The only effective argument I can see is to make the interpretation irrelevant. If you claimed that, for any given piece of scripture, there was one and only one correct interpretation, then you'd have an awful hard time being taken seriously. You'd effectively be saying that there is only one correct "sense" of scripture, and that would certainly be limiting God and seems to be in conflict w/ Scripture itself. Additionally, there are many purely human books which often have multiple layers of meaning contained within. The claim I've heard most often is that the woman is Israel or the faithful remnant. We see a lot of this imagery in the OT. However, see above. Even from an elementary reading, Mary fits being "woman" much easier and more naturally than a nation. The narrative is also a good symbolism of Herod's attempt to destroy Jesus in His infancy and His triumph over the devil, sin and death in the end. Anyway, that's about all I can handle right now. Dang cold! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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