[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Well lots of reasons first and formost you have no authority to do so. Can you show me in Scripture anywhere that it says the individual is to interperate. I can show you many places it speaks of the apostles authority. Where? You are not an apostle, Bishops are. That is really all that should need be said. since Linus took over from peter it was believed that the Authority of the Apostles came down through their successers. You ar enot one of them. And? More thanthat Gods revelation didn't just stop. Much has continued to be revealed (why is that such a difficult thing to accept) I believe it. He's revealed things to me before. Finally if e have no Body in authority then each of us has our own interpretation, right now there are 22,000 protestant denominations they can't all be right about their interpretatinon so how do you know that yours is correct? And there's never any differing opinion in the catholic church? because it is She who was given the Authority to interprete by God Himself. Mmm Hmm? Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 This was done for 1500 years, till Martin Luther came along and ruined things. So because This Is The Way We've Always Done It it must be right? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I deleted my rabble rouser comment because it was uncharitable, but actually I just meant that some comments just don't really have to be argues because they detract from the fundamental question . . . that being said . . . You can only KNOW the Catholic Church is the one true Church if you actually LIVE IT. Otherwise you're just saying "No, I refuse to consider the possiblility." It's kinda like food. If you've never had Pumpkin Pie you can't really know its good. But once you actually taste pumpking pie, then you can say, "No, it's not good, I refuse to eat this again." So, jas, come on in and try Catholic Pie. And not the cheap imitation Catholic Pie that so many are eating, we're inviting you to try, Full Fledged Apostolic Succeeding, Full Gospel Reading, Rosary Praying, Confession Going, Body of Christ Eating, Blood of Christ Drinking, Mary is my Mama, Catholic Pie . . . You will never want to eat any other pie again, trust me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 11 2003, 11:34 PM] He *wrote* part of the new testament. I think we know the answer to that. He was, however, there when it all happened. And also had the prophecy etc. in the old testament to guide him. Are you sure he wrote? I was under the understanding the letter from peter was written well after his death, But Ill look it up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 You know, I don't know. I look into it for you. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Well It is almost one and I have an early day tomarrow. I will have to continuw this later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Well It is almost one and I have an early day tomarrow. I will have to continuw this later. goodnight Don! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Are you sure he wrote? I was under the understanding the letter from peter was written well after his death, But Ill look it up again. Not sure. I guess I assumed that 1 and 2 Peter were written by him. But I'm not an authority on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I probably should get back to work, too. It's been fun everyone, I'll be back later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 11 2003, 11:55 PM] Not sure. I guess I assumed that 1 and 2 Peter were written by him. But I'm not an authority on that. neither am I.LOL :ph34r: Goodnight all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 (edited) jas, God has given His faithful people three (not one) great ways to know, love, and serve Him better. 1. He gave us Sacred Traditions. He came down from heaven, and became Man, teaching His apostles from His own mouth. The apostles (Scripture clearly shows) cherished these Traditions He had given them, and encouraged the faithful to retain them. 2. He founded a Church. Jesus Himself instituted His Church, and established the order of authority within it. He personally appointed the first pope, St. Peter, and He promised the guidance and protection of the Holy Spirit over His Church until the end of time. His Church was a visible Church with a visible leader or "head," if you will. Man did not estabish the papacy, Christ did. "He who hears you, hears Me; He who rejects you, rejects Me." "I give you the keys to the kingdom. What you declare bound on earth will be bound in heaven, what you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Have you not read these or similar words in your Bible? Those to whom He spoke these words understood full well their meanings. Today, men will attempt to find other interpretations, but Scripture warns against twisting its words. 3. He inspired the written Word. And the first Catholics wrote it, recorded it, compiled it, approved it, and used for over 1200 years until Luther decided that it wasn't quite right and needed a little tweaking. Therefore, God reveals Himself to us, and draws us to Him, in such a perfect and orderly fashion, as it were in a "trinity" of ways, how appropriate! When desiring to draw closer to God, we can't honestly say, "I'll take Jesus, but I want no part of the Holy Spirit," or "I want the Holy Spirit, but reject the Father." We desire to have a relationship with all Three Divine Persons of the One Godhead, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! So, too, to get to know and love Him better, He offers you a triune means of drawing closer to Himself, inspired by the Father, founded by Jesus, and guided by the Holy Spirit. He offers you membership in His Church, complete with Sacred Traditions and Sacred Scripture, all three perfectly complimenting one another, never competing with nor contradicting each other. By rejecting His Church which He founded upon Peter, His full and unedited inspired Word, and the Traditions He has spoken to the Apostles which have been retained for the past 2,000 years, He says that you reject Him. So, why not look into the Catechism, which explains it all in modern day language? What do you really have to lose? Pax Christi. <>< Edited December 12, 2003 by Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 12 2003, 02:55 AM] Not sure. I guess I assumed that 1 and 2 Peter were written by him. But I'm not an authority on that. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11752a.htm It ultimately doesn't matter if Peter wrote it ( and the Church maintains he did) it is still authoritative scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 You should read some of the records of those councils I assure you there is a lot more debate of the ir Theological merits than of their Historical ones. Not to mention the occasional fist fight. So, what you're saying is that there were *shock* differing opinions and theologies in your unified catholic church even back then? How can you say you are guided by the Holy Spirit when even at the time they were putting the bible together there was division and differing beliefs???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 boy you have an impoverished understanding of our teaching of Authoritative teaching . . . as it goes, just so you understand, our theologians dispute and discuss and disagree and Rome weighs all of this and, guided by the Holy Spirit makes a determination and ipso facto we have authoritative teaching. Rome makes the decision (to be precise, the Pope makes the decisions). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Just to be clear, that's what is amazing about being the One True Church. We can dispute and argue and disagree without worrying that we are going to go off the deep end in error, because in the end we have a guide who keeps us within the lines, who generously points out our errors, and who calls us to the ONE truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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