[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 What bible do I use? Usually the NIV or NLT, although not exclusively. (Yeah, I know, blah blah blah books ripped out by the man we all love to hate Martin Luther, when in reality he didn't rip books out but they weren't there in the first place in the sources he translated from, which were arguably more historically accurate than the ones that the deuterocanocal books are in (oooh I can use big words) ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 It is only by the Authority of Catholic Bishopps that you claim it to be inspired How about the authority of the God who inspired it in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 "other than semantics" The Cry of he who has no arguement. Well we are communicating in a language and the definition of words matters: Semantics--Linguistics. The study or science of meaning in language. Linguistics. The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. Also called semasiology. The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form Inspire--To affect, guide, or arouse by divine influence. To fill with enlivening or exalting emotion: hymns that inspire the congregation; an artist who was inspired by Impressionism. To stimulate to action; motivate: a sales force that was inspired by the prospect of a bonus. To affect or touch: The falling leaves inspired her with sadness. To draw forth; elicit or arouse: a teacher who inspired admiration and respect. To be the cause or source of; bring about: an invention that inspired many imitations. To draw in (air) by inhaling. Archaic. To breathe on. To breathe life into. Write--To form (letters, words, or symbols) on a surface such as paper with an instrument such as a pen. To spell: How do you write your name? To form (letters or words) in cursive style. To compose and set down, especially in literary or musical form: write a poem; write a prelude. To draw up in legal form; draft: write a will. To fill in or cover with writing: write a check; wrote five pages in an hour. To express in writing; set down: write one's thoughts. To communicate by correspondence: wrote that she was planning to visit. To underwrite, as an insurance policy. To indicate; mark: “Utter dejection was written on every face” (Winston S. Churchill). To ordain or prophesy: It was written that the empire would fall. Computer Science. To transfer or copy (information) from memory to a storage device or output device. WOW they don't look like they have remotely the same meanings. God lead the bibles authors He didn't possess them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 11 2003, 11:04 PM] What bible do I use? Usually the NIV or NLT, although not exclusively. (Yeah, I know, blah blah blah books ripped out by the man we all love to hate Martin Luther, when in reality he didn't rip books out but they weren't there in the first place in the sources he translated from, which were arguably more historically accurate than the ones that the deuterocanocal books are in (oooh I can use big words) ) Does this include Luther not wanting the book of James? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 How woul d you know what books were inspired if not for the Catholic Bishops declaration. Agian I say with out their authority, You have no justification for believeing it to be inspired and rejecting any other work which claims divine inspiration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 11 2003, 11:05 PM] How about the authority of the God who inspired it in the first place? Does this mean you recognize the Authority Jesus gave Peter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Does this include Luther not wanting the book of James? Or his removale of multiple books and part of the book of Daniel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Does this include Luther not wanting the book of James? Have you got any reliable sources for that? Because to be honest, it just sounds like a strawman argument I'm hearing on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 jas have you ever thought of reading someones work before Luther,like say Jerome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Group: Non-Catholics Posts: 216 Member No.: 262 Joined: 23-August 03 What bible do I use? Usually the NIV or NLT, although not exclusively. (Yeah, I know, blah blah blah books ripped out by the man we all love to hate Martin Luther, when in reality he didn't rip books out but they weren't there in the first place in the sources he translated from, which were arguably more historically accurate than the ones that the deuterocanocal books are in (oooh I can use big words) ) Agian the Idea that any source could be more historically accurate than the ones approved by the ancient Catholic Church is absurd it was there approval which made them canon to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 11 2003, 11:14 PM] Have you got any reliable sources for that? Because to be honest, it just sounds like a strawman argument I'm hearing on here. Try reading Luthers WORKS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 "other than semantics" The Cry of he who has no arguement. Well we are communicating in a language and the definition of words matters: Semantics--Linguistics. The study or science of meaning in language. Linguistics. The study of relationships between signs and symbols and what they represent. Also called semasiology. The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form [long winded definitions deleted to save space] WOW they don't look like they have remotely the same meanings. God lead the bibles authors He didn't possess them. I'm quite aware of the meaning of the words. What I'm asking is what real difference does it make to this discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 QUOTE (foundsheep @ Dec 12 2003, 02:09 PM) Does this include Luther not wanting the book of James? Have you got any reliable sources for that? Because to be honest, it just sounds like a strawman argument I'm hearing on here Actually I do - A book called the reformation( original title, I know) written by Methodist scholars. I don't have it with me here but I will site it for you ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 (edited) Strawman arguments are more similar to the ones you're making. They are arguments where you create a scenario that is false and easy to rebut and then take it apart. Kinda like saying "But do you deny that its God's word" which of course no one did, but now Don John has to defend himself against this straw man, which if Iwere Him I would have just ignored. Edited December 12, 2003 by BLAZEr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[jas] Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 How woul d you know what books were inspired if not for the Catholic Bishops declaration. Agian I say with out their authority, You have no justification for believeing it to be inspired and rejecting any other work which claims divine inspiration. Because I can look back and see the historical factors used to determine which books would become part of the canon, and *verify* it. They didn't sit around praying and come up with a list (although don't get me wrong, I'm sure the spirit did guide them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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