Paladin D Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 It seems the NIV is a really messed up Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Pal, I checked the 1978, 1984, and the newest versions of it, too. All with the same problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I have the same confidence in my church leaders, who are guided by the Holy Spirit and are kept accountable by other church leaders. Only I don't claim that my church is the ONE TRUE CHURCH. My church does not support abortion or homosexuality. Where does it say Peter is to pass the baton? Where does it say the authority of the second generation equals that of the first apostles? What is the Biblical justification for the palpacy? You can't point to the subsequent writings of the catholic church as proof for the palpacy. Is it logical to assume that Jesus gave the keys to Peter, and that after Peter died everybody would have to fend for themselves? Do you really think God works that way? Does the Old Testament support this line of thinking or did God always make sure SOMEBODY was in charge? Does the history of the Christianity ( which is merely the history of the Catholic Church) in any way support your theory that God left nobody in charge? Name one organization or country that has survived 2000 years without somebody in charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 12 2003, 12:06 PM] What about (from what I've heard) Marians who say we have to honour Mary and Jesuits who say to have nothing to do with it? The Church teaches that we are to honor Mary. If the Jesuits are teaching otherwise they are not following Church teaching. Some orders may stress Marian devotion more, but that is like one Catholic praying the Rosary over the Chaplet of Divine Mercy - one is no more correct than the other - it is just personal taste. But for one Catholic to say that honoring Mary is wrong is against Church teaching. Usually different orders have different lifestyles, different stresses in prayer life, etc. They do not and should not differ in the basic Church teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 ,Dec 12 2003, 01:06 PM] What about (from what I've heard) Marians who say we have to honour Mary and Jesuits who say to have nothing to do with it? Why would you listen to anybody who disagrees with church teaching, no matter what he/she calls themselves? Being faithful to the Church is more important than any title or order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 amen blazer. the bible is a product, not the maker of the church. and its something that came from the Catholic Church. written by catholics, preserved by catholics, held sacred and holy by catholics. it is because of this that we have the Bible today. ^_^ and whoever has a bible, may not realize it, but they are holding a tradition from the Catholic Church in their hands. +JMJ God bless and pax christi. ps. and it is thru learning and knowing history that we realize this.... like likos' quote always had that i liked very much.... "to know history is to cease to be protestant........" keep searching and looking for truth. and ye shall find! :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Blazer, the logic of 'who wrote the Bible' is so breath takingly simple that it can take a while to sink in!! Of course, once it does, there are a million and one implications but only one possible road to travel.... I'm upset (and shocked) to read about the NIV. It's my favourite version. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Blazer, the logic of 'who wrote the Bible' is so breath takingly simple that it can take a while to sink in!! Of course, once it does, there are a million and one implications but only one possible road to travel.... I'm upset (and shocked) to read about the NIV. It's my favourite version. Ellenita, it's not only the NIV, it's the KJV, the NKJV, etc. There are SO many of Protestant Bibles that leave things out, or rearrange things, and totally contradict each other. Kinda scary, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Bobby, If I may interject (by leave of my computer, the server or whomever prevented me from interjecting last stinking time...) I have some questions which have been asked, but bear repeating: Who do you believe assembled the relatively few Scriptures from the many into our modern "Bible"? Why did James make it, but other works used by Christian Churches for the first few centuries (Shepherd of Hermas, for instance) not make it? I must defend Martin Luther, as in not acknowledging the Deutero's he was making no innovation. They were controversial as I understand it, and he was merely following the decision of Jewish Rabbis from the First century. Admittedly, an odd decision for a Christian, to place himself under such foreign authority, but nonetheless, ML was merely parroting an old decision, albeit from an religion different from his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 He only did it to get rid of Macabees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 The Jesuits are doing what?!? Which ones and where? My comp won't let me scroll back on this post so please inform me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Hi jas, The Church is infallible on Church teachings because the Church is Jesus. ACTS, Chapter 9 (my emphasis) 1 And Saul, still breathing out threatenings, and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest 2 and asked of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues: that if he found any men and women of this way, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 And as he went on his journey, it came to pass that he drew near to Damascus: and suddenly a light from heaven shined round about him. 4 And falling on the ground, he heard a voice saying to him: Saul, Saul why dost thou persecute me? 5 And he said: Who art thou, Lord? And he: I am Jesus, whom thou persecutes. From the DVR footnotes: "The Head speaks for the members, and by a figure of speech, calls them itself.. "Here Jesus Christ identifies himself with his Church, as on a former occasion, when he said: he that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despises you, despises me. (Lk 10:16) (Augustine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 (edited) In this prayer of the Apostles in the Upper Room we see a precedent in consecrating a new apostle (Bishop) to take the place of one who died: "And praying they said: Thou, O Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, show which of these two [Justus and Matthias} thou hast chosen, to take the place of this ministry, and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression hath fallen.... And the lot fell upon Matthias, and he was num- bered among the eleven apostles." (Acts 1: 24-26) As far as erring Catholic Priests and religious, this is just the enemy the Popes esp. in the 19th and first half of the 20th century have warned us about, as follows from many places in Scripture such as: "Take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. I know, that after my departure, ravenous wolves will enter in among you, not sparing the flock. And of your own selves will rise up men speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." (Acts 20: 28-30) Edited December 14, 2003 by Donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 (edited) So therefore, Freaky, jas, Bobby; and me, Blazer, and everyone, we best be of "one faith, one Lord, one baptism": it is a most serious duty to know the (not "my") Faith. That "we may no longer be tossed about to and fro by every wind of doctrine" is in the reach of every one us and requires but one essential stepping stone: to be of good will. St. Paul clearly spells out what will happen to each and every one of us, whether or we not we ask for and receive that good will; and pray and use every wit to not only discover but persevere in True Doctrine, which, like the Triune God, can only be One. Thus: " [The antichrist will come in lying wonders] And by the seduction of iniquity to them that perish: because they receive not the love of the truth that they might be saved. Therefore, God shall send them the operation of error, to believe a lie. That all may be judged, who have not believed the truth, but who have consented to iniquity." God shall send.... Edited December 14, 2003 by Donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 (edited) Aloysius- You're such a gorgeous person:) I love reading your posts because you're just so... GORGEOUS! haha! You and I are similiar, I love sitting in awe of God too. He is so BIG yet at the same time He is so CLOSE. love ya girl! (Me) Aloysius is a girl? :sadder: News to me! *embarassed* Everyone is sitting here telling me how smart I am and I can't even pick up on femininity from a poster...:::doh!::: Edited December 16, 2003 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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