Gender neutral toilets for non-heteronormatives

[Didacus]

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I'm all for gender neutral bathrooms for people who have small children and babies... this makes sense and anyone who had to go the a bathroom with a little child of the opposite sex would certainly agree (it can sometimes get aukward).

But to provide bathroom that are neutral for people without heteronormative identities (what the heck does that really mean anyway... ), now that is ridiculous.

The way I see it, people are now geting to be allowed to identify themselves are 'transgendered' or whatever the flavor is, and gradually we are no longer allowed to refer to ourselves are woman or men becasue even these simple terms are becoming tagged as a bigot's term.

SFD!!!
Sometimes I just want to cry.

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and if someone could fix the title for me please?

Edited November 25, 2005 by Didacus

[avemaria40]

I'd be freaked out if there were gender neutral bathrooms because I could not imagine sharing a restroom with a guy. not to be biased or judgemental or anything, but if I went into a restroom and saw a man in there, I'd be concerned about his motives for being there because I've heard horror stories of girls being attacked in the ladies' room by men. That would be my first thought. Also, if they have feminine product dispensers, I'd feel a little funny if a guy was in there because if i had to use the dispenser, I'd feel weird about a guy seeing me use it. it's one thing if the restroom is for young children so women who bring their babies and children under the age of 6-8 can bring their sons and men can bring their daughters if they have to go with no problem. but other than that, that's a little freaky. Especially in college where they have showers in some of the bathrooms, what are you going to do then?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='avemaria40' date='Nov 25 2005, 05:47 PM']Especially in college where they have showers in some of the bathrooms, what are you going to do then?
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I've been told some colleges have co-ed bathrooms, including the showers.

[zunshynn]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 25 2005, 03:03 PM']I've been told some colleges have co-ed bathrooms, including the showers.
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And I've heard of "Catholic" colleges that have such rubbish.

[Cathurian]

Do you guys know what it's like for people in the middle of a transition?

There's an awkward period of several months or so where one does not appear to be either gender or the other, and it's absolute torture to try and figure out which bathroom you're supposed to use. Every time you have to go, it's an exercise of standing there, trying to evaluate which gender you look more like, and trying to time your entrance and exit so as to attract the least amont of stares.

It's highly embarrassing. Especially if one guesses wrong. When I first read about these I was ready to praise the person who came up with it.

[zunshynn]

I have no doubt that it is a struggle for them. I can't imagine their confusion.

But it's extremely frightening to live in a society that insists I have no right to call myself a woman, or that considers heterosexuals narrowminded.

[KizlarAgha]

Well it wouldn't be such an issue if people would stop beating up and murdering trans people for picking the "wrong" bathroom. But I guess that's too much to ask...

[Cathurian]

It doesn't say that you have no right to consider yourself one gender or the other. It doesn't make an attack at all.

In fact, it says they are NOT replacing the gender-specific bathrooms, for the precise reason that women may be exploited, and it may cause some people to feel uncomfortable. They are planning to add an extra, gender-neutral bathroom so that transgendered folks can feel comfortable like everyone else.

This is an actual issue. If you want, google stuff about transsexuals and the infamous bathroom dilemma. It's a very common, very distressing experience. Not only that, but people actually get KILLED over this. No joke. There are sad stories.

Somebody finally did something about it; hurrah!

Edited November 26, 2005 by Cathurian

[Socrates]

This is a sign of the sickness of our times.

I can tell you straight out that there is absolutely no good reason a man should use a ladies' restroom, or vice-versa.

If men would accept their God-given gender, rather than pretending to be women, or surgically mutilating themselves to resemble the opposite sex, there would be no need for any of this disgusting foolishness.

[TheOliverOrder88]

No matter if you are for or against this issue (which I am fullly against this) you have to admit these people need counceling.

I have a gay friend who asked me if his transgendered friend was going to hell because of this, I said well...not necessarilty but she is denying the God-given sex she has.

No, I am sure this frightening for the person who is suffering but he or she must consult a professional at this point.

Madness

[Theoketos]

[quote name='Cathurian' date='Nov 25 2005, 07:13 PM']
This is an actual issue. If you want, google stuff about transsexuals and the infamous bathroom dilemma. It's a very common, very distressing experience. Not only that, but people actually get KILLED over this. No joke. There are sad stories.

Somebody finally did something about it; hurrah!
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Are you talking about people who are born with biological issues that blur the line between the sexes or about people who voluntarily mutilate themselves?

If by transexual, you mean someone who is voluntarily transative, then it is an artificial issue, and would not exist in a healthy culture. It makes Chesterbel look really appealing.

And I think that people should not be killed over such things, I do think that once you are man you should stay a man, and once you are a woman, you should stay a woman. To pretend to be anything else would be to deny the providence of God. I think the stress they suffer in the process might just be common sense? I still pray for these people that they may be truly relieved of this stress.

[avemaria40]

well, if they're only adding gender neutral bathrooms, then it's OK b/c they should be able to feel comfortable in the middle of transistion, but if they start replacing gender biased bathrooms, then that's wrong

[Socrates]

[quote name='avemaria40' date='Nov 25 2005, 08:45 PM']well, if they're only adding gender neutral bathrooms, then it's OK b/c they should be able to feel comfortable in the middle of transistion, but if they start replacing gender biased bathrooms, then that's wrong
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Why should anyone feel comfortable in the middle of that abominable "transition" which is contrary to every law of God and nature?

It is nothing but an attempt to "normalize" perversion and pathology!

It's because "Catholics" are taking attitudes like this that the Culture of Death has been allowed to progress so far!

[avemaria40]

Look, I believe that changing your gender is a sin. However, if people are being murdered for stepping in the "wrong" bathroom b/c they're in transition, that spells a problem, a huge problem. It's only a bathroom. I don't consider gender neutral bathrooms in the same league as an abortion Yes we should work to promote a culture of life, purity and one that appreciates the beauty of sexuality, however, if ppl's lives are at stake, we should offer them protection.

Edited November 26, 2005 by avemaria40

[Socrates]

[quote name='avemaria40' date='Nov 25 2005, 09:08 PM']Look, I believe that changing your gender is a sin.  However, if people are being murdered for stepping in the "wrong" bathroom b/c they're in transition, that spells a problem, a huge problem.  It's only a bathroom.  I don't consider gender neutral bathrooms in the same league as an abortion  Yes we should work to promote a culture of life, purity and one that appreciates the beauty of sexuality, however, if ppl's lives are at stake, we should offer them protection.
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This "people murdered in bathrooms" line is silly propoganda.
First of all, murder is already a capital crime. Do you honestly think creating "gender-neutral" bathrooms is going to be that much of a deterrent to someone willing to commit murder? (No, such people would simply wait to see who goes in and out of the "gender-neutral" bathrooms to chose their victims!)

And if these "transgendered" used the toilets and people kept in their respective stalls, how would anyone find out? The truth is, such bathrooms would in practice make it easier for killers to target "transgendered" victims!

This is all about creating "legitimacy" for deviant practices, not about saving lives.
If such bathrooms became required or commonplace in public places, how would parents explain them to their small children?