jmjtina Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='The Joey-O' date='Dec 5 2005, 02:45 AM']Wow...they must give that church scholar title out to just about anyone... [right][snapback]811441[/snapback][/right] [/quote] wow, that comment comes from someone who hasn't even been here longer than 2 weeks........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 5 2005, 04:48 AM']proddy, joey.................if ur point is to show us that protestants have good things to offer, we don't deny this. if that's all ur trying to get across, then the debate can end here. however, when you say that the protestants have "better" theologians in certain areas, or that the Church does not have anything to offer in certain areas, that's where we all disagree with you. the mere fact that protestants do not possess the fullness of truth means that, as a catholic, i can only take their message so far. eventually, the lack of fullness will be revealed and i will cease to gain much fruit from it. [right][snapback]811444[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I disagree, I mean I agree with you that the church has some in these areas, but I feel that there are better theologians/writers out there that the church is hurting because they are not in our fold. I guess its the hurt from being fractured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 (edited) [quote name='jmjtina' date='Dec 5 2005, 04:54 AM']wow, that comment comes from someone who hasn't even been here longer than 2 weeks........... [right][snapback]811450[/snapback][/right] [/quote] you mean its a time thing?as an open theist its funny cause time is buggin me... is that why im not a militant yet? Edited December 5, 2005 by Revprodeji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joey-O Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 Yeah. It may have been rude. It definately wasn't in good charity. I tend to get pretty heated over issues such as the fragmentation of the Body of Christ or worse: one part of the body hating or discrimating against another. Then again, so did Paul.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 03:52 AM']"jesus' plan for the church" ahh, rounded statement on eccesiology. check my sig.. [right][snapback]811448[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I've seen your signature. Jesus' plan for the Church was for the Church to be one. It is fallen humanity that went against His plan for unity in ALL THINGS. While I recognize Protestants as my brothers and sisters, I cannot say I am one with them in all things. We disagree on a lot of important things. Jesus didn't want us all to agree on the basics, I think He wanted us to be totally one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joey-O Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 I agree with Revprodeji, but I'd qualify it this way: the Church isn't hurting is such a way that it's lacking something crucial. It's hurting in that it's not getting all it could. In fact, it's probably missing out on a lot. We still are the Church, whole and complete. However, we could be progressing faster and better if the Roman Catholics were rejoined with Protestants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 03:57 AM']I disagree, I mean I agree with you that the church has some in these areas, but I feel that there are better theologians/writers out there that the church is hurting because they are not in our fold. I guess its the hurt from being fractured [right][snapback]811455[/snapback][/right] [/quote] how is the Church "hurting" Protestant theologians? You make it sound like the Church is cutting them off from the fold when they either never were part of it in the first place, or they cut themselves off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Joey-O Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 I don't think anyone's disagreeing with you on that one, photosynthesis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 03:58 AM']you mean its a time thing? is that why im not a militant yet? [right][snapback]811457[/snapback][/right][/quote] what she means is that you can't judge my status based on one post and you haven't been here long enough to know that my entire body of work here warrants the designation. honestly, i don't like drawing attention to it b/c i am really nobody special. but i did work hard for it (i'm the only phatmasser here who has the designation w/o also having some type of formal training in theology or philosophy) b/c i wanted access to the Q&A board so that i could help more people. and they don't just give it to anyone. of the 2500 or so members here, only around 10 of them are called "Church Scholars". pax christi, phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 no..the church is hurting for not having those as its own, like a carpenter missing a few tools. he can get the job done, but it would be better with those tools. cut themselves off? Please.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 phatty...I love ya...u know it, I was hurt by your statement as well, but I guess it is where your heart is and I need to know that for future dialogue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='The Joey-O' date='Dec 5 2005, 04:03 AM']I agree with Revprodeji, but I'd qualify it this way: the Church isn't hurting is such a way that it's lacking something crucial. It's hurting in that it's not getting all it could. In fact, it's probably missing out on a lot. We still are the Church, whole and complete. However, we could be progressing faster and better if the Roman Catholics were rejoined with Protestants. [right][snapback]811464[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I agree that Catholics and Protestants have a lot to learn from one another. However, at this point merging the two is not going to work, because that would involve some kind of mutual sacrifice of identity and a compromise. Not going to happen, and I don't think it should happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 it can happen in the future, but first we need to respect each other and realise the gifts that both parties bring to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 [quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 04:05 AM']cut themselves off? Please.. [right][snapback]811470[/snapback][/right] [/quote] um, how would you describe the Reformation then? If Protestants didn't want to be separated from the Catholic Church they wouldn't be protesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted December 5, 2005 Share Posted December 5, 2005 reformation..luther wanted to reform, y'all kicked him out, tried to kill him, it became a social uprising backed by goverments, idiots like calvin showed up and developed a theology that is equal to anarchy. ironically the church reforms many of the things luther had issues with(*cause luther did not want a formal split, as much as a sanctuary until the church reformed and than return) but now we have eccesiologocal differences and dont like each other much. sound good? as a catholic I would protest against what the church was doing than. Conscience and simple reason would still need to be justified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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