Protestantism is Heresy.

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I wouldnt say I go against church teaching, and I have a group of mentors/influences that hold me in check. My roots run deep.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 5 2005, 05:57 AM']i read ur post in the convert thread and it didn't answer my question.

the word "hybrid" implies that one can be both catholic and protestant. how is this possible? is that what you mean to imply by the word?
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[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 5 2005, 05:59 AM']more questions:

do you believe that the Catholic Church possesses the fullness of Truth? are there any Catholic teachings that you do not believe in? if so, what are they?
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would still like these questions answered

[phatcatholic]

i see you answered the last question. thank you

what about the other ones?

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np phatty

I was raised both catholic and baptist/free church,. So I have roots in both. Thus my take on things is both, Im a blend, a hybrid. Also, with my work and experience in TWT I have my teeth sharpened in the evangelical community that I could literally name the school I wanted and could get in based on my names of influence(fluff..vouch for me) but I reverted to catholicism where I was raised on my dad's side, so I am a blend, I submit to the teachings of the magistirum, yet I function as a protestant in the praxi of myself and the way I still can argue and the insight I have on an issue.

its late, but I hope that helps.

I am a confirmed catholic, typically rergarded as a great catholic theologian by those whom I know. I have a role in translating catholic dogma to protestant talk. I am very devout in my faith, but I bring the good from both.

"fullness of truth" is a tough term. I think the "church" is hurting from not having the protestant communities within its arms. I also have had episodes of debate on a few doctrines or better yet perceived doctrines(TWT in relation to platonic time, an NFP morality, and some indulgance) but I conduct these with the care of trained clergy and I am within the church on these views.

roots run deep, dna is there, I would never deny those things that made me a believer in the first place.

[The Joey-O]

Oy....Oh the oy....My version of hybrid, which I will call myself: I am FULLY Roman Catholic. I will not and do not disagree with the Roman Catholic Church. There are issues, ideas, etc. that the Church doesn't have an official stance on or gives a range (like the molinism, thomism thing). On those issues, I am more like a Protestant than the usual Catholic. Not that I'm protesting...maybe a better word would be Evangelical? Postmodern Evangelical Charismatic/Mystical Catholic...yeah that sounds about right. (I don't mean Postmodern in the sense that most people, especially Christians understand it. I include it, because Postmodernists are the group that I usually target when I discuss contemporary culture, etc.)

[photosynthesis]

what made you a believer in the first place?

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which one of us...you are talking to 2 hybrids

[photosynthesis]

both?

[phatcatholic]

proddy...............joey..............just call yourselves catholics then. the "hybrid" designation is terriblly misleading and belabors dialogue. since you two focus on ecumenical dialogue this should be of importance to you.

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calling myself catholic denies that part of my faith, I would rather be called a hybrid, or use the term loosely. Because I am catholic, but not in the same way as someone who was not a strong christian as a protestant. calling myself a catholic will often belabor a protestant. I want to be open to them.

I callmyself catholic btw, I just think they type of catholic would be hybrid. idk what im saying, im tired and greek kills me.

[N/A Gone]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:16 AM']what made you a believer in the first place?
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be more specific and I will tell you

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 06:26 AM']calling myself catholic denies that part of my faith, I would rather be called a hybrid, or use the term loosely. Because I am catholic, but not in the same way as someone who was not a strong christian as a protestant. calling myself a catholic will often belabor a protestant. I want to be open to them.

I callmyself catholic btw, I just think they type of catholic would be hybrid. idk what im saying, im tired and greek kills me.
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i would say that calling yourself catholic denies only that part of your previous faith that [i]should[/i] be denied (for instance, the protestant beliefs that are contrary to catholicism). but, it also [i]maintains[/i] that part of your previous faith that catholicism can embrace (for instance, reverence for the bible, focus on a relationship with Jesus, evangelical spirit, call for unity, etc.). calling yourself "catholic" is not and should not be considered a denial of everything that is good from what you came from. i definitely would not avoid calling myself a catholic just so protestants would hear me out. if you worry about discrimination, then just call yourself a "Christian", but then express your "Catholic" views

[N/A Gone]

so, catholics have the "good" of protestants and whatever catholics dont exercise or promote is considered bad?

hybrid is for a book concept Im working on, where the influence of protestant worship/faith can be translated into catholicism while still holding onto original faith.

its not like I started a club or anythin yet

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 06:38 AM']so, catholics have the "good" of protestants and whatever catholics dont exercise or promote is considered bad? [/quote]
no, whatever is [i]contradictory[/i] to catholicism is "bad"

sola scriptura: "bad"
sola fide: "bad"
OSAS: "bad"

you get the idea....


[quote]hybrid is for a book concept Im working on, where the influence of protestant worship/faith can be translated into catholicism while still holding onto original faith.[/quote]
i would agree with this as long as the Church does not lose her distinctly Catholic identity and her doctrines are not watered-down in the process.


[quote]its not like I started a club or anythin yet
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praise God......

[The Joey-O]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:16 AM']what made you a believer in the first place?
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This could take a while.

I was almost raised Lutheran, but my family moved to a different town and lost all their Lutheran friends right before I was to be baptized. When my family arrived in their new town (Charlottesville, VA, I believe), I attended the Methodist church. There, my dad and brothers had a sort of conversion experience to Christianity (it's hard to say their faith status. They act like decent people most of the time, but they don't do much with their faith anymore. This "conversion" is just what I've been told. I was 2 or 3 when it happened.) Well, anyways, my family was then all Christian (my mom was raised Methodist, so she didn't really need to do anything, I guess. My brothers and my dad were all then baptized. I wasn't.

My parents got a divorce soon thereafter. My brothers went with my dad (their half-brothers. His kids, not my mom's.) I went with my mom. We stopped attending church accept for on occassion when she'd try a new one out for a while. The faith that was passed down to me was largely secular-humanism. I was an atheist. I eventually became a nihilist, because I realized how stupid you'd have to be to be an optimistic atheist.

Then, my mom died. She had Sclura Derma, so it wasn't unexpected. Well, she became religious at the end of her life again. She started attending regularly and I actually noticed a change in her. I guess that's what sparked me to reconsider Christianity. The problem was: I was very much trained up in science. I was 13 and could quote some of Einstine's theorums for his theory of relativity. (I wanted to be a theoretical astrophysicist. I was beginning to grasp the physics, though the math was a little beyond me.) At the same time, I felt miserable and alone. My dad was kind of abusive, so my church (Worthington Christian Church) was the only place that I really felt loved and accepted. I decided, then, that it was better to believe a lie that makes me happy, then to go on being miserable. After making that decision, I was then tormented for about a year with fairly constant "attacks". Call it demonic or call it psychological, I don't care.(It's just not worth arguing) I'd wake up with cuts and bruises and other strange markings. I went a month with little to no sleep. It wasn't until I started leaving the radio on a Christain old-timey music chanel that I was able to get any sleep. Well, after that, I was convinced that there was definitely demons. Demons meant that there was definately a God....

After about 3 years of being in the church, I was a full-fledged fundy! They convinced me that all the science I had learned was lies, etc. It helped that there was a recent movement within theoretical astrophysics that placed the church at 650,000 years old or younger. I got baptized then, and became a Christian, though a fundy Christian.

Then, I went to Bible College. I was introduced to scholarly, conservative, Evangelical theology, Neo-Orthodox theology, liberal theology and what can only be called "Amost Catholic, but Not Quite Weedmanism". Also, I started attending a small, Charismatic house church. I quickly became a Weedmanite and a Charismatic. This created an polarity within me. I was pulled to both for different reasons. Charismatics acknowledged an active spiritual life and Weedmanism was intelligent. I spent 2 years reconciling the two. Ultimately, I became a Weedmanite first and a Charismatic, second.

Then, I met my fiance. She was a Catholic, which I was fine with, because of my strong Catholic influences. Her dad wanted nothing mroe than for me to die or to convert. We, however, agreed not to try to convert eachother, but to help eachother in our faith. We actually had a very similar faith, since I was very Roman Catholic influenced. My favorite theologian and philosopher was JPII.

Then, I met revprodeji. He was pretty anti-Catholic, but Weedman and I (I really had a small role) tried and succeeded in making him positive-nuetral toward Catholicism. A few weeks later, he started talking like, we have to retrun. Give Rome the authority and what not. I wasn't too thrilled with it, but the more we talked, the more I was convinced. I met some Catholics online who helped and talked with my fiance's preist. Also, Dr. Weedman's wife helped a lot. She's Catholic (and arguably the better theologian of the 2).

That brings me to today. I'm in RCIA. I'll be confirmed on the Easter Vigil.

Yeah. This is long.