qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I don't think he was right in everything. But I only study philosophy so I can't say too much there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 That quote from Cardinal Ratzinger has been taken completely and totally out of context. Without exceptioin. It has been proven to be so in another thread...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Actually hot stuff, the Holy See was a statement on behalf of a speaker who was under the Cardinal at the time, so Cardinal Ratzinger wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 6 2005, 09:25 PM']Are you gonna answer my question? If you can... To yours, there is no answer that I can give. I don't pay attention to rare cases, just what the Church teaches/can say. [right][snapback]780656[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You gonna answer mine, from August? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 6 2005, 09:27 PM']Actually hot stuff, the Holy See was a statement on behalf of a speaker who was under the Cardinal at the time, so Cardinal Ratzinger wins. [right][snapback]780665[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The head of the Holy See is the Holy Father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 He wasn't speaking that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 6 2005, 09:28 PM']I did. [right][snapback]780668[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Ratzinger was speaking as representing the Holy See. He knew what he was talking about. There is no contradiction here. He is merely clarifying that exactly when capital punishment may and may not be applied is a matter of opinion, rather than dogma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 I said I don't care what the rare exceptions are, just that the possibility exists. I also said that in places such as Africa or even South America they are more common than here, but I don't pay attention to specifics. I likewise mentioned Timothy McVeigh and Saddam Hussein as two modern examples (and hinted at Osama bin Laden). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Answer my question Soc Is the Holy See wrong for calling for the end of the death penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Nov 6 2005, 09:32 PM']Ratzinger was speaking as representing the Holy See. He knew what he was talking about. There is no contradiction here. He is merely clarifying that exactly when capital punishment may and may not be applied is a matter of opinion, rather than dogma. [right][snapback]780677[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Wanna try again......you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Nov 6 2005, 09:34 PM']Wanna try again......you are wrong. [right][snapback]780681[/snapback][/right] [/quote] If he's wrong, then what's right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Nov 6 2005, 09:33 PM']I said I don't care what the rare exceptions are, just that the possibility exists. I also said that in places such as Africa or even South America they are more common than here, but I don't pay attention to specifics. I likewise mentioned Timothy McVeigh and Saddam Hussein as two modern examples (and hinted at Osama bin Laden). [right][snapback]780679[/snapback][/right] [/quote] And that is a nonsensical answer. Human dignity has to be applied equally to all. That is what John Paul II was getting at. Incidentally, that is what the Catechetical view is getting at. It doesn't answer the question. It skirts it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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