BLAZEr Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 M. Sigga . . .the state cannot sin it doesn't have a soul. I don't go to Vigils because I believe the state is culpable, I go to Vigils to give witness to this man who is being killed (not murdered). I want him to know, spiritually and symbollically, that his life is important to me too. That I want him to have life and have it abundantly. I also go to give witness to the power of prayer and conversion. I go to send a message to the state that, although it might have the authority to do this, I am very much against it exercising this authority. Think of this way, Parents may have the authority to make their children sit on the floor and eat their food out of a dog dish when they misbehave. This may not even be a sin (although I don't really know) but I still think this is the wrong way to go about disciplining your child because you don't give full expression to their human dignity with this punishment. The same, in a way, goes for the death penalty. I think it is allowable but I also think, in my prudential judgement, that there are better ways to punish a criminal and redress the wrongs they committed which enhances even the criminals human dignity and by virtue of that, all of our human dignity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 M. Sigga . . .the state cannot sin it doesn't have a soul. I don't go to Vigils because I believe the state is culpable, I go to Vigils to give witness to this man who is being killed (not murdered). I want him to know, spiritually and symbollically, that his life is important to me too. That I want him to have life and have it abundantly. I also go to give witness to the power of prayer and conversion. I go to send a message to the state that, although it might have the authority to do this, I am very much against it exercising this authority. Think of this way, Parents may have the authority to make their children sit on the floor and eat their food out of a dog dish when they misbehave. This may not even be a sin (although I don't really know) but I still think this is the wrong way to go about disciplining your child because you don't give full expression to their human dignity with this punishment. The same, in a way, goes for the death penalty. I think it is allowable but I also think, in my prudential judgement, that there are better ways to punish a criminal and redress the wrongs they committed which enhances even the criminals human dignity and by virtue of that, all of our human dignity. I think your R. compassionate conservatism and my D. bleeding heart are bumping heads b/c I agree with you for the most part. Thanks for answering my question honestly and with complete charity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 (edited) I'm a Republican because, quite frankly, they still drink, smoke, and cuss and recognize that we're a bunch of screwed up SOB's who think that we're right. And when we get together we drink good beers and eat red meat and talk like sailors and then go smoke a pipe. In my experience Liberals are bunch of people who are accidentally right on some things but think they are perfect and Know everything and its ebcause they are so beaver dam perfect. And because they are so annoying with their Trees and No Smoking and imitation leather pantaloons while they eat their vegetarian hummus pita and drink their designer waters . . . blech Liberals just have a lot of sex, but no fun. And by the way, I don't think of you as a liberal. You're too cool to be one of "those" people in my mind . .. lol Edited December 8, 2003 by BLAZEr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Avery Cardinal Dulles said on the Legacy of Vatican II (shown on EWTN tonight) that one cannot say that it is wrong for a catholic to be pro-life and also beleive in the death penalty. He said the two could NOT be equated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-I---Love Posted December 8, 2003 Author Share Posted December 8, 2003 Without getting into a heated debate, isn't the mortal sin of committing murder equally damnable? To the human eye it is worse to murder an innocent baby, but doesn't God love every human unconditionally despite if they are innocent babies or convicts? Thank you M. Sigga for that question. I wonder if as humans we have a suitable answer... I suppose the lives are the same worth Loved by God, yet the reasons for the occurences are not equal....hmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megrc Posted December 8, 2003 Share Posted December 8, 2003 Can we write the Pope in? I think we should try!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 (edited) Avery Cardinal Dulles said on the Legacy of Vatican II (shown on EWTN tonight) that one cannot say that it is wrong for a catholic to be pro-life and also beleive in the death penalty. He said the two could NOT be equated. Thanks. This question is something that really bothers me and I can't just dismiss it right away so I'm praying on it. Edited December 9, 2003 by M.SIGGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted December 9, 2003 Share Posted December 9, 2003 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superkiddo7 Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 KUCINCH! ( Dean if Kucinich drops out). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 14, 2003 Share Posted December 14, 2003 Is he pro-life ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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