Pope Pius XII

[theculturewarrior]

To what extent was he responsible for the Holocaust, and to what extent did he participate?

Discuss.

[Era Might]

Golda Meir, Israeli ambassador to the United Nations in 1958, summed up the role Pius XII played during World War II:

[quote]When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.

--Condolences sent after the death of Pius XII, 1958[/quote]

Edited October 23, 2005 by Era Might

[photosynthesis]

"A Righteous Gentile: Pope Pius XII and the Jews"
[url="http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/dalin.htm"]http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/dalin.htm[/url]

"The Truth About Pope Pius XII"
[url="http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/truth.htm"]http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/truth.htm[/url]

"Pius XII and the Holocaust"
[url="http://www.catholicleague.org/piusxii_and_the_holocaust/piusxii.htm"]http://www.catholicleague.org/piusxii_and_...ust/piusxii.htm[/url]

"Auschwitz, the Christian, and the Council"
[url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=609"]http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=609[/url]

"The Good Samaritan: Jewish Praise for Pope Pius XII"
[url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/issues/pius12gs.htm"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/issues/pius12gs.htm[/url]

Edited October 23, 2005 by photosynthesis

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 23 2005, 12:59 PM']To what extent was he responsible for the Holocaust, and to what extent did he participate?

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HE was a hero.

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 23 2005, 11:59 AM']To what extent was he responsible for the Holocaust, and to what extent did he participate?

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To what extent was France's president, Jacques Chirac, responsible for the war crimes committed in Uganda in 2002, and to what extent did he participate?

Discuss.

[dspen2005]

any culpability attributed to the Pope is that which is attributed to us all.... as a collective humanity -- Jew and Gentile, alike

[theculturewarrior]

[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_20101939_summi-pontificatus_en.html"]http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii...ficatus_en.html[/url]

^ Summi Pontificatus, the Pontiff's condemnation of nazism and racism ^

[MilesChristi]

[quote]HE was a hero.[/quote]

Indeed he was.

I dearly hope Pius XII will one day be a canonized saint.

[Socrates]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Oct 23 2005, 11:59 AM']To what extent was he responsible for the Holocaust, and to what extent did he participate?

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"Not at all" to both questions!

[dspen2005]

i would argue that the Pope, as with all of us - in the collective sense -- are responsible for the Holocaust. However, I will not go so far as to place blame on the Pope in any specific, individualized manner -- he helped alot of Jews in Rome -- there are a few good books about it, some written by Jews, themselves.

[Socrates]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Oct 23 2005, 09:56 PM']i would argue that the Pope, as with all of us - in the collective sense -- are responsible for the Holocaust.  However, I will not go so far as to place blame on the Pope in any specific, individualized manner -- he helped alot of Jews in Rome -- there are a few good books about it, some written by Jews, themselves.
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How are "all of us" responsible for the Holocaust?

[Aloysius]

yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm not responsible for the holocaust. though I don't remember what I was doing in the 1930's and 1940's

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Oct 23 2005, 10:56 PM']i would argue that the Pope, as with all of us - in the collective sense -- are responsible for the Holocaust.  However, I will not go so far as to place blame on the Pope in any specific, individualized manner -- he helped alot of Jews in Rome -- there are a few good books about it, some written by Jews, themselves.
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We are certainly NOT responsible for the holocaust. The ONLY ones responsible are the ones who participated in it. There is no collective guilt about it.

[cmotherofpirl]

[url="http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/framemain.htm"]http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/framemain.htm[/url]