Brother Adam Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 And thus I've decided to title the book I've been working on. I have the outline complete (finally, though it's doubtful if it will stay as it is) and the first 4 chapters done, in a rough sense. I'm going to keep working on them and hope to submit the first 4 chapters to a publisher next spring. Anyways, down to business. As I continue to explore this 'fad' called denominationalism (How long have I been here? Hasn't it been close to a year?) I'm finding the idea of a denomination to fall miserably short of what Christ spoke of when describing his bride. And as I'm exploring the differences in the faiths, especially comparing Catholicism to non-Catholic faiths, I'm finding them very similiar, and yet, pretty different. The doctrine that states works and faith must be present together, is present in both Catholicism and non-Catholicism, but the twist that non-Catholicism takes on the doctrine makes it something completely different (i.e. no works are required to enter heaven, but the saved person will naturally show works). I'm trying at this point to pin down some of the biggest sticking points between Catholics and non-Catholics. There are alot of them, but I want those sticking pionts that would make a non-Catholic or a Catholic scream "Burn 'em at the stake!", if you see what I'm saying. The first one, and the one that seems to stick out to me the most is the Eucharist, and that Catholics worship the Eucharist, the body and blood of Christ. I wish I had the required time to study such things, instead of spending 10 hours a day in a warehouse, not to mention driving time. But out of all of the horrible things that you think the protestant church has done with the faith, what are the worst most horrible dotrines they have twisted or created? Yours in Christ, Bro. Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 i think the worst thing they have done is abolished the Holy Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hrm...It is interesting that you mention that. I understand though, they have no choice in the matter since being seperated from the Church they can't have the Eucharist. The more I learn a great many disagreements always seem to come back to the Eucharist. I'll admit it confuses me why you would worship the elements. Most protestants scream "Idolatry!" when they hear that Catholics worship the Eucharist, but I'm trying to understand. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 - Taking Christ out of the Eucharist, thus denying the opportunity for Protestants to participate in Christ's final sacrifice for our sins, and denying the physical, intimate relationship only possible when consuming His body. - Denying the authority of Christ's church, thus creating a "to each his own" culture, which has in turn broken up the moral fiber of the entire world (personal interpretation of the Bible). - Separating the Christians on earth from the ones in heaven by denying the communion of saints. Those are the main reasons I'm not Protestant--so to me, those are the biggest problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 why you would worship the elements. We don't worship the elements. We worship God. Understand that, and you'll understand our beliefs of the Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I'd like to add the doctrine of "once saved, always saved," which I believe has helped send millions of souls to hell since it was first dreamt up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 Okay, good thoughts. Maybe I should start a poll after I get a few more thoughts from folks. Now you say you don't worship the elements. Where exactly is your worship centered, in your words, during the Eucharist? Christ's blood and flesh? Christ himself? Is it even appropriate to say you worship the Eucharist? Or would that be a misrepresentation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted December 1, 2003 Author Share Posted December 1, 2003 I smiled when I read your response Dave. We are running a race and fighting a fight as Christians aren't we? Darn. my time at the library is nearing an end. Back to the old grindstone at work I miss you all of you and wish I had more time on the net, but our time away from the net has helped bring Teresa and I closer together :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 i worship and adore christ in the blessed sacrament because he is really and truly present. "that god was man in palestine and lives today in bread and wine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 The abolition of authority and the twisting of true "Episcopal" authority (Anglicans and such). This is what started my journey towards the Church. I began to question Protestant teachers by saying "on whose authority do you say this?" peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 To answer your question, Bro. Adam, we don't just worship Christ's Body and Blood in the Eucharist. We worship the whole Christ. Just as no human being is simply body or simply soul, but both, so Christ present in the Eucharist is Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity just as He was when He was conceived in the womb of the Virgin Mary 2,000 years ago. Thus, we are worshipping Christ, not just His physical body. That would be impossible, since Christ is now human (meaning He has a body and a soul) and has always been divine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 But out of all of the horrible things that you think the protestant church has done with the faith, what are the worst most horrible dotrines they have twisted or created? Sola Scriptura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaustinaVianney Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I believe the worst thing that the Protestant faith has done is take themselves away from the Eucharist, which is the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ. We believe that when the Priest consecrates the bread it becomes Christ through transubstantiation. It appears to be bread, but in reality it is our Lord. The next worst thing is the fact that everyone intreprets scripture on their own. Of course that is going to lead to difficulties. Not everyone has studied classics, so how is everyone going to be able to interpret things in the correct manner? I also believe the fact that you don't have the Sacrament of Reconciliation is a downfall. For me Reconciliation is all about humility and to get them 'off my chest' is such a grace. It makes me reflect more at what I've done wrong and how I can do better. I don't know just some of my thoughts... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 :( this is a big question but like they mention above i would say the eucharist. but another one is their lack of sacred tradition. the very teachings of Jesus Christ himself (the holy apostlic truth), is lost in those who are separated from the Catholic Church. and all sacraments that they do not have. but like i said most important is the eucharist. Jesus christ, himself. and to cut yourself off from the sacraments, the teachings and most important, the eucharist is to me like a fish without water. you just can't live without the eurcharist. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 I could write a book to eliminate denominationalism. on the 1st page would be one sentence. "Join the Catholic Church, the Nomination from which all denominations denominated." the rest of the book would be in quotation marks. it would be the Catechism of the Catholic Church. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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