cappie Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Condom Conundrums Evidence Shows Wisdom of Catholic Doctrine NEW YORK, SEPT. 24, 2005 (Zenit.org).- Critics continue to assail the Catholic Church's refusal to endorse condom use in treating the AIDS problem. Among recent attacks was in the medical journal The Lancet. "[F]aith seems to present insuperable obstacles to the prevention of disease," asserted an editorial dated March 12. "Nowhere is this problem more acute than in HIV/AIDS." The editorial was highly critical of Pope John Paul II for his opposition to condom use, accusing him of being ignorant of African history, culture and the realities of daily life in the continent. On May 8, New York Times editorial page commentator Nicholas Kristof accused the Church of having cost hundreds of thousands of lives due to its refusal to endorse condom use. Kristof expressed the hope that the recently elected Benedict XVI would not only change the Church's position on this issue, but would indeed "encourage the use of condoms," affirming it would be a "courageous choice." The decision by the U.S. government to limit its funding for condoms has also come in for criticism. According to an Aug. 30 report in the British newspaper Guardian, Stephen Lewis, the U.N. secretary-general's special envoy for HIV/Aids in Africa, said that U.S. cuts in funding were damaging Africa. He also described the Bush administration of following a "dogma-driven policy" on the issue. And the New York Times once again weighed in on the matter, in an editorial Sept. 4. The editorial argued that by limiting condom availability, the reduction of AIDS in Uganda was being put at risk. More Catholics, fewer infections Abundant data exist, however, to show the severe limitations of relying on condoms to solve the AIDS problem. A letter from Australian-based bioethicist Amin Abboud, published July 30 by the British Medical Journal, noted that any change in the Catholic Church's position on condoms would be detrimental for Africa. According to Abboud, a statistical analysis of the situation in the continent shows that the greater the percentage of Catholics in any country, the lower the level of HIV. "If the Catholic Church is promoting a message about HIV in those countries," he added, "it seems to be working." Data from the World Health Organization puts the figure for HIV infection in Swaziland 42.6% of the population. Only 5% of the population is Catholic. And in Botswana, where 37% of the adult population is HIV infected, only 4% of the population is Catholic. In Uganda, however, where 43% of the population is Catholic, the proportion of HIV infected adults is 4%. Abboud commented that since the death of John Paul II there has been a "concerted campaign ... to attribute responsibility to him for the death of many Africans." But, he continued, "Such accusations must always be supported by solid data. None has been presented so far." Recognition of the value of promoting abstinence, instead of just relying on condoms, came in a commentary published in The Lancet last Nov. 27. Written by a group of medical experts, and endorsed by a long list of health care experts, the article noted that when campaigns target young people who have not initiated sexual activity, "the first priority should be to encourage abstinence or delay of sexual onset, hence emphasizing risk avoidance as the best way to prevent HIV and other sexually transmitted infections as well as unwanted pregnancy." The article did support condom use, but also pointed out that even for those who have already engaged in sexual activity, "returning to abstinence or being mutually faithful with an uninfected partner are the most effective ways of avoiding infection." This goes even for adults: "When targeting sexually active adults, the first priority should be to promote mutual fidelity with an uninfected partner as the best way to assure avoidance of HIV infection," stated the article. This argument is based on solid medical evidence, the authors pointed out: "The experience of countries where HIV has declined suggests that partner reduction is of central epidemiological importance in achieving large-scale HIV incidence reduction, both in generalized and more concentrated epidemics." Questioning orthodoxy Recent information on the situation in Uganda, which is often cited as an example of how programs advocating abstinence and fidelity to partners can reduce the incidence of AIDS, confirms the position of those who question relying on condoms. A report published Sept. 13 on Aidsmap, a United Kingdom Web site dedicated to distributing information on AIDS, summarized the findings of a study published in the Sept. 1 issue of the Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes. The study demonstrated that while campaigns to distribute and promote condoms in Uganda did increase usage, they did not lead to consistent use. Moreover, men in the group targeted by the campaigns then "went on to have a larger number of sexual partners and were somewhat less likely to use condoms with casual sex partners than the control group." The findings, noted Aidsmap, "raise uncomfortable questions about the evidence base that informs the current international orthodoxy in HIV prevention." The study compared two groups recruited from poor urban communities in Kampala. Another conclusion was that "improved availability of condoms in Uganda has had only a modest effect on condom uptake." Changing behavior This latest study confirms the arguments made by Edward Green, in his 2003 book, "Rethinking AIDS Prevention." Green is a senior research scientist at the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies and a member of the President's Advisory Committee on HIV/AIDS. Green does not have moral objections to condoms, and, in fact, has worked in the past with organizations that promote contraceptives and family planning programs. Nevertheless, he raises serious doubts about the wisdom of fighting AIDS by relying on condom distribution. In Africa, repeated population surveys show that the most common behavioral change in response to the diffusion of AIDS is an increase in the fidelity to one's partner, the reduction of sexual partners, and sexual abstinence. When, in addition to this spontaneous response, this type of change is promoted through campaigns, then we are building on what people naturally do, Green argued. Unfortunately, he added, foreign experts only too often arrive and impose campaigns that ignore the benefits of behavioral changes, preferring to rely on distributing condoms. In addition, Green cites studies showing that condom promotion campaigns do not lead to long-term consistent use. And inconsistent use is associated with a higher risk of sexually transmitted diseases. In fact, the African countries with the highest condom user rates and numbers of condoms available, Zimbabwe and Botswana, also rank at the top of the list for rates of HIV infection. Neither are condoms infallible, particularly those typically available in African countries, Green observes. In fact, condoms are widely held to be one of the least effective methods of contraception, yet paradoxically, are promoted by experts as the answer to preventing AIDS. This is not to say, Green points out, that the use of condoms causes AIDS, "only that condoms might give men a somewhat greater sense of security than warranted by actual condom effectiveness." Independently of these debates, the new Pope quickly gave an answer to those pressing for changes in Church doctrine. Addressing the bishops from a group of southern African countries on June 10, Benedict XVI urged them to continue supporting family life and to help those suffering from AIDS. The Catholic Church, commented the Pontiff, "has always been at the forefront both in prevention and in treatment of this illness." And, he added: "The traditional teaching of the Church has proven to be the only fail-safe way to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS." ZE05092401 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 that's so sad... I like stuff like this: [url="http://www.aegis.com/news/pr/2000/PR000746.html"]http://www.aegis.com/news/pr/2000/PR000746.html[/url] [url="http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2005/02/17/newsbutte/hjjejhidhggbfg.txt"]http://www.mtstandard.com/articles/2005/02...ejhidhggbfg.txt[/url] can't forget: [url="http://www.mlionline.org/"]http://www.mlionline.org/[/url] I read their manual called "Circles of Life: Integrating AIDS Prevention and Fertility Awareness" and must say that I wish this sort of thing was being promoted by the main stream. It is vastly superior to dumping condoms on unsuspecting villages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 I heard on NPR one time, when condom money ran out, and they emphasized abstainance and monogamy, the aids percentage dropped by something drastically like 70%....Go figure. I am going to try and find a link real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Well every good liberal knows that condoms, not chastity, is the solution for all life's problems. (Those people drive me up a wall! Some particularly nasty Brit was comparing JPII to Stalin and Hitler for the "genocide" supposedly caused by him opposing condoms!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 24 2005, 11:05 PM']Well every good liberal knows that condoms, not chastity, is the solution for all life's problems. [right][snapback]736817[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What every good liberal knows is that human nature is like putty. What every good liberal SHOULD know is that human nature is much more stubborn than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 lets not forget that the main purpose for sex is procreation..........then love..............then pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 you know what is really sad. The aids virus really isn't stopped well by condoms because it is to small. it can go through holes that are only a nanometer wide or something like that. Those types of holes exist in condoms very commonly. They really only stop larger particles. Little viruses get through in the millions. I read it somewhere. I think it was in a veritas newspaper. (I think that might be a pseudo-local thing.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) [quote name='jezic' date='Sep 24 2005, 11:44 PM']you know what is really sad. The aids virus really isn't stopped well by condoms because it is to small. it can go through holes that are only a nanometer wide or something like that. Those types of holes exist in condoms very commonly. They really only stop larger particles. Little viruses get through in the millions. I read it somewhere. I think it was in a veritas newspaper. (I think that might be a pseudo-local thing.) [right][snapback]736860[/snapback][/right] [/quote] as well as gonhorrea I think that the chances of getting this STD are high even with a condom. Edited September 25, 2005 by infinitelord1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Nice. I remember reading an article stating the WHO had seen the drastic effects that the Catholic Church's Anti-Condom/Pro-Abstinence stance had on the spread of HIV/AIDS and then started their own campaign to promote abstinence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='Old_Joe' date='Sep 24 2005, 11:48 PM']Nice. I remember reading an article stating the WHO had seen the drastic effects that the Catholic Church's Anti-Condom/Pro-Abstinence stance had on the spread of HIV/AIDS and then started their own campaign to promote abstinence. [right][snapback]736862[/snapback][/right] [/quote] WHO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='jezic' date='Sep 24 2005, 10:44 PM']you know what is really sad. The aids virus really isn't stopped well by condoms because it is to small. it can go through holes that are only a nanometer wide or something like that. Those types of holes exist in condoms very commonly. They really only stop larger particles. Little viruses get through in the millions. [/quote] Oft-proclaimed but not actually true in the way it is stated. 100% Fact: Condoms are riddled with microscopic holes. 100% Fact: These holes are large enough for HIV virions to pass through. Not 100% fact: HIV virions pass through these holes during intercourse. Virions are stuck in solution. Ejaculate does not normally pass through these holes. Can virions get through during intercourse? Yes. Are they likely to? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='Benedict' date='Sep 24 2005, 11:59 PM']Oft-proclaimed but not actually true in the way it is stated. 100% Fact: Condoms are riddled with microscopic holes. 100% Fact: These holes are large enough for HIV virions to pass through. Not 100% fact: HIV virions pass through these holes during intercourse. Virions are stuck in solution. Ejaculate does not normally pass through these holes. Can virions get through during intercourse? Yes. Are they likely to? No. [right][snapback]736877[/snapback][/right] [/quote] what does this say? Its possible for viruses to get through condoms? Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 24 2005, 11:55 PM']WHO? [right][snapback]736871[/snapback][/right] [/quote] not the British rock group WHO stands for World Health Organization. they are organization that promotes condom use in Africa in an attempt to halt the spread of HIV/AIDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Old_Joe' date='Sep 25 2005, 12:00 AM']not the British rock group WHO stands for World Health Organization. they are organization that promotes condom use in Africa in an attempt to halt the spread of HIV/AIDS [right][snapback]736882[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Whats more important? Abstinence (finding the right person then sharing sexual behavior)? Or promoting (something that is against the moral code) things like condoms? Not saying you promote WHO. Edited September 25, 2005 by infinitelord1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old_Joe Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Sep 25 2005, 12:00 AM']what does this say? Its possible for viruses to get through condoms? Right? [right][snapback]736881[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Basically it says that Condoms don't offer the protection from HIV that people say they do. There's still a chance that it could be passed from one person to their sexual partner(s) during any kind of sexual act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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