popestpiusx Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) [quote name='argent_paladin' date='Sep 20 2005, 03:17 PM']Unfortunately, psych tests have been used to keep orthodox seminarians out. It is quite easy to do since the vast majority of psychologists think that voluntary celibacy is a symptom of mental illness, that orthodoxy is a sign of rigidity and that obedience is a sign of immaturity. Therefore, liberal seminaries can say that they are screening out the unfit, without saying that they have a bias. Very sad. It is in fact hard to find a solid, faithful psychologist who agrees with the Church on all important matters. [right][snapback]731142[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Very true indeed. Edited September 20, 2005 by popestpiusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:06 PM']Sexual temptations are present even for "straight" priests/seminarians, yes. HOWEVER, the main difference is in the occasion to sin. Priests and seminarians do not live with women... they are not around women 24/7. A homosexual priest/seminarian would be surrounded by those he is attracted to practically 24/7... with LOTS of "alone" time. [right][snapback]731741[/snapback][/right] [/quote] See my edited post. How are they going to act on their temptation, when the men around them are straight? Masturbate? Thats a problem for all men, gay or straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote]Again I would refer us to St. Aelred of Rivaulx, who had flagrant sexual relations with a man while he was in the royal court. [/quote] Citation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:54 PM']The fact that the affections are dis-ordered, not inclined in the direction of females, but instead to the same sex precludes the priesthood. It is a defect just as an addiction to masturbation would be. Priests are to be emotionally healthy earthly representations of Jesus Christ, so any major defect precludes holy orders. [right][snapback]731720[/snapback][/right] [/quote] By that reasoning you seem to be indicating that homosexuals cannot be emotionally healthy. Is that what you intend to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 (edited) [quote name='crusader1234' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:03 PM']I fully support the Church in this decision, but like others have pointed out the sentiments expressed by a few of the members here is a little, uh, uncharitable? Maybe even homophobic? And you know what studies say about homophobes. [right][snapback]731737[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Nice little snide ad-hominem! You can take your bogus "studies" and shove them! "Homophobia" is nothing but a word invented by those promoting the gay agenda to discredit whomever oppose them. Edited September 20, 2005 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:09 PM']Nice little snide ad-hominem! You can take your "studies" and shove them! "Homophobia" is nothing but a word invented by those promoting the gay agenda to discredit whomever oppose them. [right][snapback]731750[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The problem is not what you are saying, but how you are saying it. It severely discredits whatever it is you are trying to point out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:09 PM']Nice little snide ad-hominem! You can take your "studies" and shove them! "Homophobia" is nothing but a word invented by those promoting the gay agenda to discredit whomever oppose them. [right][snapback]731750[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Was "pansies" an ad hominem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Pio Nono' date='Sep 20 2005, 12:00 AM']JMJ 9/19 - St. Januarius Kicking homosexuals out is not getting at the root of the problem. [right][snapback]730723[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, I think there is truth here. The root of the problem is those who created this subculture, or allowed to fester. Perhaps we should look at the chanceries and rectors instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Sep 20 2005, 07:08 PM']See my edited post. How are they going to act on their temptation, when the men around them are straight? Masturbate? Thats a problem for all men, gay or straight. [right][snapback]731744[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What makes you think all the men around them would be straight? ... It doesn't seem as though they would be the case. Yes, masturbation is sinful, but homosexual acts are worse because they involve the detriment of another's soul in addition to one's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:10 PM']Was "pansies" an ad hominem? [right][snapback]731755[/snapback][/right] [/quote] It was directed at no one on this board! It is directed at those who make sexual propositions to other men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 20 2005, 07:09 PM'] "Homophobia" is nothing but a word invented by those promoting the gay agenda to discredit whomever oppose them. [right][snapback]731750[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Sep 20 2005, 07:12 PM']Actually, I think there is truth here. The root of the problem is those who created this subculture, or allowed to fester. Perhaps we should look at the chanceries and rectors instead. [right][snapback]731759[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I would agree with this as well. A lot needs to be done in the Church today. We need a renewal and revival of faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 20 2005, 06:12 PM']It was directed at no one on this board! It is directed at those who make sexual propositions to other men. [right][snapback]731762[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oh, did you think no one on this board struggles with same-sex attraction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 20 2005, 07:12 PM']It was directed at no one on this board! It is directed at those who make sexual propositions to other men. [right][snapback]731762[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well, as long as it wasn't about anyone we know . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Sep 20 2005, 07:03 PM'] Maybe even homophobic? And you know what studies say about homophobes. [right][snapback]731737[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What a silly comment to make. Pointing out that homosexual attraction is a dis-ordered state as stated by the Church makes us people who are faithful to what the church says, not people with an agenda who usually villify their opponents by calling them homophobes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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