Doctors in New Orleans Killed the critically ill.

[Pio Nono]

JMJ
9/14 - Triumph of the Cross
[quote name='Birgitta Noel' date='Sep 14 2005, 07:23 AM']Pio Nono,

With all respect I have to disagree with this statement.  The likely/certain distinction doesn't hold.  Double effect discusses a forseen but [i]unintended[/i] consequence of a morally neutral action.  In the examples I gave re the ectopic pregnancy the death of the child is certain, it is forseen, but it is unintended.  Here the administration of morphene is intended to kill the patient, death is also certain, but it fails double effect because it is an [i]intended[/i] consequence, even though the action, the administration of a high dose of morphene is morally neutral (especially since everyones tolerance for morphene is different).
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Thanks for this; I don't know whether you're addressing the principle or the application of the principle. I've conceded that my application is wrong; however, the likely/certain distinction certainly holds as a principle. Death may be extremely likely, but it can also be unintended.

[Lounge Daddy]

this whole thing is unsettling

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Pio Nono' date='Sep 13 2005, 11:10 PM']2. It is not clear to me that these doctors intentionally killed these people.  If death was the intention, then these doctors are to be blamed and punished.  If death was the forseen but not determined outcome of the action, then these doctors are not to be blamed.
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God will sort them out if they are not punished here. Hopefully, they will repent.

[prose]

[quote]"And at night I prayed to God to have mercy on my soul."[/quote]

Wow... I am not sure what to say, so of course I have to say something

I think that it is AWFUL that these people even felt that they had to consider these options, but I also think that God is forgiving, and it certainly seems as if some (even if not all) of them knew the gravity of what they had done.

That being said:

[quote]"What we did was give comfort to the end. I had cancer patients who were in agony. In some cases the drugs may have speeded up the death process.[/quote]

Now, this isn't murder is it? It was giving pain relief. So maybe some doctors had different intentions than others. I mean with the Susan Torres case, if her husband would have chose to disconnect her from the machines, it would have been morally licit b/c it was not killing her, but "speeding up the death process".

Or am I misunderstanding?

I think that God is a pretty good guy. I think He is a pretty forgiving guy. And I think that he can see more clearly EVERYTHING about this than we can. I am glad I wasn't there.

I am also glad that some of you aren't deciding what happens to my soul when I die, because I am certainly not perfect enough to get into some people's heavens....

[ofpheritup]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Sep 13 2005, 04:36 PM']Then any form of euthanasia would be justifiable... it's not about the pain... it's about life. Our life is not our own, nor any other human beings. It belongs to God and to God alone.
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AMEN.

But i also feel this way, so many people want their loved ones not to suffer. Why, Jesus suffered.
i look at it this way I can either have my Purgatory here or I can have it there. i much prefer here. I can offer my pain for other's intentions. It is useful.