Jump to content
An Old School Catholic Message Board

"eternal matter"


Fides_et_Ratio

Recommended Posts

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 9 2005, 03:45 AM']It is not matter in the sense of something empirical or corporeal, rather it is the result of my acceptance of universal hylomorphism which necessitates positing that even in the spiritual realm there is something which receives form, or "a potency for entity".
The metaphysics of Aquinas essentially does away with spiritual matter, but it exists in the Augustinian tradition and I have my own version of it.

I also hold to the multiplicity of forms and have a more dynamic view of form and matter in general. I take as my starting point the idea of rationes seminales. It is all pretty much a work in progress, but I think it makes better sense in light of certain things (modern science things). It's all highly debatable though, and I'm sure a lot of people would rip on me..  A lot of my philosophical positions are ridiculed so I'm used to it. :)
[right][snapback]716708[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]
If you ever write anything up on this, I'd be interested in seeing it. (Or if you just want to share more here and expose yourself to ridicule, that's fine with me too. ;))

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fides_et_Ratio

lol. wow, L_D... I'm amazed you've formed a philosophy so concretely... I can't seem to make up my mind. One day I think I'm more Aristotelian than a Platonist, but the next day I change my mind.

I think I lean more towards Aristotle, but perhaps because I'm only more familiar with Aquinas than Augustine.



And as an update on my OP... my prof hasn't said another word about the subject, and today was our last day on Aquinas' "Summa"-- I started to bring it up again but he said that we "didn't want to get off topic again"... :idon'tknow:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 9 2005, 03:45 AM']It is not matter in the sense of something empirical or corporeal, rather it is the result of my acceptance of universal hylomorphism which necessitates positing that even in the spiritual realm there is something which receives form, or "a potency for entity".
The metaphysics of Aquinas essentially does away with spiritual matter, but it exists in the Augustinian tradition and I have my own version of it.

I also hold to the multiplicity of forms and have a more dynamic view of form and matter in general. I take as my starting point the idea of rationes seminales. It is all pretty much a work in progress, but I think it makes better sense in light of certain things (modern science things). It's all highly debatable though, and I'm sure a lot of people would rip on me..  A lot of my philosophical positions are ridiculed so I'm used to it. :)
[right][snapback]716708[/snapback][/right][/quote]
can you explain this, or reword it for me?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Laudate_Dominum

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 10 2005, 05:29 AM']can you explain this, or reword it for me?
[right][snapback]717941[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]
:no:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 9 2005, 05:45 AM']It is not matter in the sense of something empirical or corporeal, rather it is the result of my acceptance of universal hylomorphism which necessitates positing that even in the spiritual realm there is something which receives form, or "a potency for entity".
The metaphysics of Aquinas essentially does away with spiritual matter, but it exists in the Augustinian tradition and I have my own version of it.

I also hold to the multiplicity of forms and have a more dynamic view of form and matter in general. I take as my starting point the idea of rationes seminales. It is all pretty much a work in progress, but I think it makes better sense in light of certain things (modern science things). It's all highly debatable though, and I'm sure a lot of people would rip on me..  A lot of my philosophical positions are ridiculed so I'm used to it. :)
[right][snapback]716708[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

Ah, a universal hylomorphist, eh?

I pretty much understood this, but I've never heard of rationes seminales.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Fides_et_Ratio

I wonder...

what if one were to qualify the statement about "eternal matter" and instead say "always existing in time".. would such a distinction be enough to make a plausible and legitimate (i.e., in line with the Magisterium) theory?


this is mostly just an "I'm curious" thing now, my prof I think is afraid to talk to me regarding matters of the Church. lol.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 15 2005, 11:16 PM']LD................don't forget about me bro ;) i'd still like to know what all this stuff means.
[right][snapback]725155[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]
bump for sean

Link to comment
Share on other sites

[quote name='hierochloe' date='Sep 22 2005, 02:26 AM']Yes, I;m interested in hearing about multiplicity of forms, and not so I can rip on it.  :lol:
[right][snapback]733575[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

And I'm interested in this rationes seminales thing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Laudate_Dominum

Sorry.. I have sort of been planning to start a thread at some point in which I present some of my more adventuresome theories and I thought it would be best to wait for this time to expound upon my own metaphysical views.

I should be subjecting myself to public humiliation soon enough. I apologize for being so slow (lazy might be a more appropriate word).

God bless you all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 11 months later...

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
×
×
  • Create New...