philothea Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 9 2005, 03:45 AM']It is not matter in the sense of something empirical or corporeal, rather it is the result of my acceptance of universal hylomorphism which necessitates positing that even in the spiritual realm there is something which receives form, or "a potency for entity". The metaphysics of Aquinas essentially does away with spiritual matter, but it exists in the Augustinian tradition and I have my own version of it. I also hold to the multiplicity of forms and have a more dynamic view of form and matter in general. I take as my starting point the idea of rationes seminales. It is all pretty much a work in progress, but I think it makes better sense in light of certain things (modern science things). It's all highly debatable though, and I'm sure a lot of people would rip on me.. A lot of my philosophical positions are ridiculed so I'm used to it. [right][snapback]716708[/snapback][/right] [/quote] If you ever write anything up on this, I'd be interested in seeing it. (Or if you just want to share more here and expose yourself to ridicule, that's fine with me too. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 lol. wow, L_D... I'm amazed you've formed a philosophy so concretely... I can't seem to make up my mind. One day I think I'm more Aristotelian than a Platonist, but the next day I change my mind. I think I lean more towards Aristotle, but perhaps because I'm only more familiar with Aquinas than Augustine. And as an update on my OP... my prof hasn't said another word about the subject, and today was our last day on Aquinas' "Summa"-- I started to bring it up again but he said that we "didn't want to get off topic again"... :idon'tknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 9 2005, 03:45 AM']It is not matter in the sense of something empirical or corporeal, rather it is the result of my acceptance of universal hylomorphism which necessitates positing that even in the spiritual realm there is something which receives form, or "a potency for entity". The metaphysics of Aquinas essentially does away with spiritual matter, but it exists in the Augustinian tradition and I have my own version of it. I also hold to the multiplicity of forms and have a more dynamic view of form and matter in general. I take as my starting point the idea of rationes seminales. It is all pretty much a work in progress, but I think it makes better sense in light of certain things (modern science things). It's all highly debatable though, and I'm sure a lot of people would rip on me.. A lot of my philosophical positions are ridiculed so I'm used to it. [right][snapback]716708[/snapback][/right][/quote] can you explain this, or reword it for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 10 2005, 05:29 AM']can you explain this, or reword it for me? [right][snapback]717941[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 14, 2005 Share Posted September 14, 2005 hehe j/k.. I'll try later.. I can't post more than a sentence at a time right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 LD................don't forget about me bro i'd still like to know what all this stuff means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p-hawk Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Sep 9 2005, 05:45 AM']It is not matter in the sense of something empirical or corporeal, rather it is the result of my acceptance of universal hylomorphism which necessitates positing that even in the spiritual realm there is something which receives form, or "a potency for entity". The metaphysics of Aquinas essentially does away with spiritual matter, but it exists in the Augustinian tradition and I have my own version of it. I also hold to the multiplicity of forms and have a more dynamic view of form and matter in general. I take as my starting point the idea of rationes seminales. It is all pretty much a work in progress, but I think it makes better sense in light of certain things (modern science things). It's all highly debatable though, and I'm sure a lot of people would rip on me.. A lot of my philosophical positions are ridiculed so I'm used to it. [right][snapback]716708[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ah, a universal hylomorphist, eh? I pretty much understood this, but I've never heard of rationes seminales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 I wonder... what if one were to qualify the statement about "eternal matter" and instead say "always existing in time".. would such a distinction be enough to make a plausible and legitimate (i.e., in line with the Magisterium) theory? this is mostly just an "I'm curious" thing now, my prof I think is afraid to talk to me regarding matters of the Church. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 15 2005, 11:16 PM']LD................don't forget about me bro i'd still like to know what all this stuff means. [right][snapback]725155[/snapback][/right] [/quote] bump for sean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hierochloe Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Yes, I;m interested in hearing about multiplicity of forms, and not so I can rip on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p-hawk Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 [quote name='hierochloe' date='Sep 22 2005, 02:26 AM']Yes, I;m interested in hearing about multiplicity of forms, and not so I can rip on it. [right][snapback]733575[/snapback][/right] [/quote] And I'm interested in this rationes seminales thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 L_D, where are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Sorry.. I have sort of been planning to start a thread at some point in which I present some of my more adventuresome theories and I thought it would be best to wait for this time to expound upon my own metaphysical views. I should be subjecting myself to public humiliation soon enough. I apologize for being so slow (lazy might be a more appropriate word). God bless you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 that's cool man. "do ur dirt" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted September 23, 2006 Share Posted September 23, 2006 dang.. I totally forgot about this thread.. I owe you one phatty and fides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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