Church View On...

[drewmeister2]

What is the Church view on this group?

[url="http://www.truecatholic.org/"]http://www.truecatholic.org/[/url]

Thanks!

(Also, do they have valid Orders?)

Edited August 25, 2005 by drewmeister2

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Um they are so in schism....

[quote]We announce to you a great joy!
The Catholic Church Has Elected Pope Pius XIII
October 24, 1998

After 40 years of the Holy See being vacant, the Catholic Church has, on October 24, 1998 elected Pope Pius XIII as the Vicar of Christ on Earth.  The details of his election and papacy can be found on the Papal Homepage.

Many of Pope Pius XIII's writings, penned prior to his ascension to the Chair of St. Peter, will continue to exist on this website under his former name.  Many of these writings are in newsletters known as Caritas, and in other documents on specific topics. These will be marked with a yellow oval saying “Pre Pius XIII Document.”  Documents which do reference the “vacancy” will be clearly date-stamped and marked as written prior to the restoration of the papacy, because their content and explanations are invaluable in understanding the background of the papal situation.  [/quote]

DO I EVEN HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING?!??!

[quote]Vatican II
Its Heresies, Errors and Rites

      This menu of the True Catholic website provides you with articles showing the heresies promoted by the Vatican II church, as well as showing why its rites are invalid.[/quote]

Do you even have to ASK what the Church's stance is???

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[quote]101 Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II

    Codes for the Sources can be found at the end of this page.



Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
1.
The Catholic Church Lacks Unity.
UUS:7-10  Christian unity is the Catholic Church.
Pius XI, MA:3,15.
2.
Infants can be saved without baptism.
EV:99, 3/25/1995  Infants need Baptism for salvation.
St. Zosimus I, D.102.
3.
Muslims worship the One True God.
CH:141, 1994  Only Catholics can worship God.
Gregory XVI, SJS
4.
Heretical sects have an apostolic mission.
LOR, 06/10/1980  The Catholic Church is the only apostolic mission.
Leo XIII, SCG:35
5.
The Holy Spirit uses sects as means of salvation.
CT:32, 10/16/1979  The Holy Spirit does not give life to heretics.
Leo XIII, SCG:18
6.
We must pray with heretics for unity.
UUS:21, 05/25/1995  If anyone prays with heretics, he is a heretic.
St. Agatho I, SCN:XXI:635
7.
Liberty of conscience is a right of man.
LOR, 09/01/1980  Liberty of conscience is insanity.
Gregory XVI, D. 1613
8.
Heretics are Christians.
LOR, 12/23/1982  Only Catholics can be Christians.
Pius VI, D. 1500
9.
Each man is united with Christ.
RH:13.3, 1979  Christ is not in all men.
St. Pius X, D.2103
10.
Heretics have the Apostolic Faith.
US:62, 05/25/1995  True Faith cannot be found outside the Church.
Pius IX, Sqi

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
11.
The New World Order is holy unity.
PA:39, 1987  The New World Order is evil.
Pius XI, MA:1-2
12.
God loves heretics, pagans, etc.
PA:48, 1978  Without the Catholic faith, it is impossible to please God.
Paul III, D.787
13.
Jews are our elder brothers in the faith.
CH:99, 1994  The Jews reject the One Faith of Jesus Christ.
Gregory I, ETC
14.
Masons are sons of God the Father.
LOR, 05/22/1984  The Masons are sons of the Devil.
Pius IX, Sqa
15.
Heretics are our brothers in Christ.
LOR, 09/16/1980  Heretics are sons of the Devil.
Clement I, EIC:42,46
16.
Ecumenical Councils do not need to defend the truth.
CH:162, 1994  Ecumenical Councils must defend the truth.
Pius II, D.717
17.
Dogmas and doctrines grow and evolve.
EDA, 1987  Evolution of dogma and doctrine is condemned.
St. Pius X, P:12-27
18.
All inter-religious marriages are good.
FC, 11/22/1981  All inter-religious marriages are discouraged.
Gregory XVI, SJS:1-9
19.
Buddhism is a great religion.
PM:147, 06/17/1984  Buddhism is a false pagan religion.
St. Pius X, P:14
20.
All men have a human dignity of equal rights.
PP:478, 09/01/1980  Equal rights for all men is senseless.
Pius VI, QA

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
21.
The New World Order is needed for the world.
PP:809, 09/02/1981  The New World Order is a reign of terror.
Benedict XV, TBR:35
22.
Luther had a profound religious spirit.
PM:105  If anyone does not condemn heretics, let him be anathema.
Vigilius, D.223
23.
John Paul II prayed with Jews: "our dearest brothers."
LOR, 04/13/1986  The Jews are not "our dearest brothers."
Innocent III, ETN
24.
Christ's Body is not only the Catholic Church.
LOR, 07/08/1980  Christ's Body is only the Catholic Church.
Pius XII, MC:17-18
25.
All men are saved.
LOR, 05/06/1980  All outside the Catholic Church cannot be saved.
Eugene IV, D:714
26.
Christ's miracles do not prove His messianic dignity.
LOR, 11/11/1983  Christ's miracles did prove His messianic dignity.
St. Pius X, D.2028
27.
All men have the right of religious liberty.
CCC:2106, 10/11/1992  All have the right of religious liberty is heresy.
Pius IX, D.1690,99
28.
Infidels can be saved for : "May Ghandi live forever!"
SME:9  All infidels are damned!
St. Pius X, GOH:13
29.
The Catholic Church rejoices when heretics preach.
CH:141, 1994  The Catholic Church condemns a heretic's talk.
Paul IV, ACA
30.
Heretics can be Christian martyrs outside the Church.
UUS:84, 05/25/1995  Outside the Church there are no Christian martyrs.
Pelagius II, D.247

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
31.
Heretics legally can receive the sacraments from us.
UUS:46, 05/25/1995  Heretics cannot legally receive the sacraments.
Leo XIII, ENL
32.
Heretics are not our enemies, but our brothers.
UUS:42, 05/25/1995  Heretics are our enemies.
St. Clement I, EIC:42,46
33.
The Catholic Church has sinned against unity.
UUS:34, 05/25/1995  The Modernists say: the Church has erred.
Pius XI, MA:8
34.
Love is when we join in prayer with heretics.
UUS:21, 05/25/1995  Heresy: is when we join in prayer with heretics.
Piux XI, D.2199
35.
Anti-Christs have the human right of religious liberty.
FCR:2, 09/01/1980  Only Catholics have the right to religious liberty.
Pius IX, D.1690, 1699
36.
The State cannot forbid non-Catholic religions.
FCR:2-4, 09/01/1980  The State must forbid non-Catholic religions.
Pius IX, D.1777, 1778
37.
Heretical sects can have the life of the Church.
CT:32, 10/16/1979  Heretical sects cannot have the life of the Church.
St. Gregory I, EP5
38.
Christian unity subsists in the Catholic Church.
CCC:820, 10/11/1992  Christian unity is the Catholic Church.
Pius XI, MA:7
39.
"Dialogue" is required to bring unity to the Church.
CCC:821, 10/11/1992  The Catholic Church forbids meetings for "unity."
Pius XI, MA:15
40.
Sanctification and truth can be found in heretical sects.
CCC:819, 10/11/1992  It is heresy to say: all religions are true.
St. Pius X, P:14

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
41.
Today's heretics are not to be blamed for their heresy.
CCC:817, 10/11/1992  Today's heretics have despised the True Faith.
Pius XI, MA:16
42.
The Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church.
CCC:816, 10/11/1992  The Church of Christ is the Catholic Church.
Pius XII, MC:17-18
43.
There is hope for infants who die without baptism.
CCC:1261, 10/11/1992  Outside the Church there is no hope for salvation.
Pius IX, D.1717
44.
The understanding of dogmas grow by man's experience.
CCC:94, 10/11/1992  Evolution of dogma is an error of the Modernists.
St. Pius X, P:12-13,25-27
45.
All men belong to the Catholic Church.
CCC:836, 10/11/1992  Only Catholics are members of the Church.
Pius XII, D.2286
46.
The Catholic Church is joined to heretics.
CCC:838, 10/11/1992  Heretics are separated from the Catholic Church.
Pius XII, D.2286
47.
The Old Law is alive and working to God's call.
CCC:839, 10/11/1992  Old Law ceased, and fulfilled by the New Law.
Eugene IV, D.712
48.
The plan of salvation includes the Muslims.
CCC:841, 10/11/1992  It is heresy to say: salvation is open to Muslims.
Gregory XVI, VM:13
49.
The Catholic Church has a bond with false religions.
CCC:842, 10/11/1992  False religions are separated from the Church.
Eugene IV, D.705
50.
False religions seek the One True God Who saves.
CCC:843, 10/11/1992  False religions worship the Devil.
Gregory XVI, SJS

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
51.
At Assisi, 150 false religions "prayed with one voice to the Lord."
US:76, 05/25/1995  At Assisi, 150 false religions worshiped the Devil.
Gregory XVI, SJS
52.
John Paul II prayed with Anglican-heretics in 1982.
UUS:24, 05/25/1995  If anyone prays with heretics: he is a heretic.
Benedict XV, C.2338.2
53.
One can be saved outside the Church by a moral life.
VS:3, 08/06/1993  True morality and salvation are only in the Church.
Gregory XVI, D.1613
54.
Salvation is not only for those who are explicitly in the Church.
Rmi:10, 12/07/1990  Salvation is found only in the Catholic Church.
Boniface VIII, D.468-469
55.
Apostate Jews and Christians have "a common heritage."
PM:135, 04/13/1986  Apostate Jews do not have the Faith of salvation.
St. Gregory I, ETC
56.
In 1991, John Pual II prayed with Lutherans for "unity."
UUS:25 05/25/1995  Praying with heretics for "unity" is heresy.
Pius IX, D.1685-1687
57.
Dialogue meetings can bring Christian unity.
UUS:31,32, 05/25/1995  These "assemblies" for "unity" are condemned.
Pius XI, MA:15
58.
Christian unity is possible if we say the Catholic Church failed.
UUS:34, 05/25/1995  The modernists hold that the Church has erred.
Pius XI, MA:13
59.
Catholics can legally receive the Sacraments from heretics.
UUS:46, 05/25/1995  No one can pray with heretics and be a Catholic.
St. Agatho, SCN:XI:635
60.
Catholics must rejoice when heretics shed their blood.
UUS:47, 05/25/1995  Catholics must anathematize all heretics.
St. Martin I, D.271-272

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
61.
John Paul II gave a blessing to Lutherans in 1991.
UUS:73, 05/25/1995  If anyone patronizes heretics: he is a heretic.
Innocent III, RCH:I:441
62.
The "faith" of heretics praises and thanks God.
UUS:74, 05/25/1995  It is heresy to say: heretics can praise God.
Pius IX, D.1718
63.
A communion of faith exists between heretics and Catholics.
UUS:75, 05/25/1995  Catholics and heretics share no unity of faith.
Leo XIII, SCG:18,27-18
64.
Heretics honor Holy Scripture with a true religious zeal.
UUS:12, 05/25/1995  Heretics dishonor the Holy Scriptures.
Pius IX, D.1788
65.
The Holy Spirit gives "sanctifying power" to heretics.
UUS:12, 05/25/1995  Heretics cannot live in the life of the Holy Spirit.
Pius XII, D.2286
66.
God wills and inspires heretics to shed their blood for Him.
UUS:12, 05/25/1995  All heretics who shed their blood go to Hell!
Eugene IV, D.714
67.
God's Church is build up when heretics receive the Eucharist.
UUS:12, 05/25/1995  Heretics sin when they receive the Eucharist.
Leo XIII, ENL
68.
Catholic Church and Eastern Schismatic Church are one in faith.
UUS:59,62  Heretics are not members of the Catholic Church.
St. Pius V, CCT:101
69.
Apostate Jews worship the One True God.
PM:135, 04/13/1986  Apostate Jews do not worship the One True God.
Gregory XVI, SJS
70.
Every human being is the way of the Church.
DM:3, 11/13/1993  Heresy: the Church is a collective conscience.
St. Pius X, P:23

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
71.
All nations form but one community.
CCC:842, 10/11/1992  Heresy: all nations form but one community.
Pius XII, MC:18
72.
The UN is the supreme forum of peace and justice.
PP:112, 10/02/1979  The Church is the supreme forum of peace.
Pius XI, MA:1-17
73.
The Catholic Church respects the Islamic spirutial tradition.
PP:2443, 08/19/1985  It is heresy to say: all religions are true.
St. Pius X, P:14
74.
All men are brothers with a human dignity.
PP:826, 09/05/1983  Only Catholics have a human dignity in Christ.
St. Pius X, LFH
75.
Goodness and truth are found in false religions.
CCC:842, 10/11/1992  It is heresy to say: all religions are good.
Pius XI, MA:2
76.
The religious experience of Islam deserves respect.
CH:93, 1994  It is heresy to say: Muslims can experience God.
St. Pius X, P:14
77.
Modernism renews and unites the Church of Christ.
CH:76, 1994  Modernism attempts to destroy the Church.
St. Pius X, P:23
78.
In Hinduism men take refuge in God with love and trust.
CH:80, 1994  It is heresy to say: Hindus can experience God.
St. Pius X, P:14
79.
Buddhists by higher help reach liberty and supreme illumination.
CH:80, 1994  It is heresy to say: Buddhists can experience God.
St. Pius X, P:14
80.
The Church rejects nothing holy and true in false religions.
CH:80, 1994  Outside the Church the Truth cannot be found.
Gregory XVI, D.1617

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
81.
The Holy Spirit works effectively a common root in all religions.
CH:81, 1994  It is heresy to say: all religions are true.
St. Pius X, P:14
82.
Praying with false religions can bring peace.
CH:81, 1994  Praying with false religions for peace is heresy!
Pius XI, MA:1-17
83.
Animist religions prepare many to be Christians.
CH:82, 1994  It is heresy to say: Animists can experience God.
St. Pius X, P:14
84.
John Paul II prayed with animists and was amazed at it.
LC, 08/23/1985  It is heresy to think: all religions are good.
Pius XI, MA:2
85.
The sphere of salvation includes those not in the Church.
CH:140, 1994  No one can be saved who is not in the Church.
Pius IX, D.1716
86.
With God, man creates his personal salvation.
CH:195, 1994  No one can be saved outside the true faith.
Pius IV, D.1000
88.
The Catholic Church is present in all its elements in heretical sects.
CN, 05/28/1992  Outside the Catholic Church there is no holy unity.
St. Leo IO, DJP:129,II:3
89.
Vernacular languages should be used for Mass.
SC:36, 12/04/1963  Heresy: popular language should be used for liturgy.
Pius VI, D.1566
90.
Unbaptized catechumens are members of the Church.
LG:14, 11/21/1964  The unbaptized are not members of the Church.
Paul III, D.895

Heresies of Anti-Pope John Paul II  Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
91.
Outside the Church there is remission of sins.
LOR, 11/20/1989  Outside the Church there is no remission of sins.
Boniface VIII, D.468
92.
Man's dignity is: Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.
ALL, 04/1980  Freemasonry is: Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity.
St. Pius X, LFH
93.
Evolution is more than just an hypothesis.
LOR, 10/23/1996  Evolution is the doctrine of the Modernists.
St. Pius X, P:26
94.
Worship in common with heretics is good.
UR:8, 1965  Worship in common with heretics is condemned!
Benedict XV, C.1258
95.
The rite of Mass should be simplified.
SC:34,50, 1965  The rite of Mass should be simplified: is heresy!
Pius VI, D.1533
96.
John Paul II prayed with sorcerers, calling out the "spirits."
LOR, 08/11/1985  John Paul II worshiped the Devil.
Gregory XVI, SJS
97.
Outside the Church there is no salvation is not Catholic exclusively.
CH:141, 1994  The Catholic Church is the only way of salvation.
Eugene IV, D.714
98.
John Paul II did not profess the filioque with eastern schismatics.
UUS:24, 12/06/1987  JPII was anathematized for patronizing heretics.
Innocent III, RCH:1:441
99.
All deceased men "are standing before" God as saints.
LOR, 11/01/1993  No one can be saved who is not in the Church.
Pius IX, D.1716
100.
It is unevangelical to condemn heretics.
UUS:15, 05/25/1995  It is evangelical to condemn heretics.
St. Martin I, D.271-272
101.
Buddhism is a religion of salvation.
CH:84-85, 1994  Buddhism is a religion of damnation
Eugene IV, D.714[/quote]

ANTIPOPE?

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[quote]Can a heretic be a valid Pope of the Roman Catholic Church?
No. The Papal Bull Cum ex apostolatus officio of Pope Paul IV teaches that: if anyone was a heretic before the Papal election, he could not be a valid pope, even if he is elected unanimously by the Cardinals. Canon 188.4 (1917 Code of Canon Law) teachers that : if a cleric (pope, bishop, etc.) becomes a heretic, he loses his office without any declaration by operation of law. St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Antonius, St. Francis deSales, St. Alphonsus Liguori, and many other tehologians all teach that a heretic cannot be a pope: “If however, God were to permit a pope to become a notoriously and contumacious heretic he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.” -- St. Alphonsus Liguori, Church Doctor: Verita bella Fede. Pt. iii, Ch.viii, 9-10.

Heresies of Anti-Pope Benedict XVI




Heresies of Anti-Pope Benedict XVI
(aka Joseph Ratzinger)
Truth of Divine and Catholic Faith
1.


Ratzinger denies the Real Presence...

“Eucharistic devotion such as is noted in the silent visit by the devout in church must not be thought of as a conversation with God. This would assume that God was present there locally and in a confined way. To justify such an assertion shows a lack of understanding of the Christological mysteries of the very concept of God. This is repugnant to the serious thinking of the man who knows about the omnipresence of God. To go to church on the ground that one can visit God who is present there is a senseless act which modern man rightfully rejects.”
Source: Die Sacramentale Begrundung Christliche Existenz by Joseph Ratzinger
“If anyone says that after the consecration is complete the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the sacrament of the Eucharist and in the consecrated hosts or particles which are reserved (in the tabernacle) the true body and blood of our Lord remain not, let him be anathema.”
Source: Council of Trent, Canon 4, mid-16th century
2.
Ratzinger has rejected and ridiculed the core Catholic doctrine of Original Sin in public homilies he delivered in Munich, later published in book form.
Source: In the Beginning, Ignatius Press, 1990 

The doctrine of original sin is a truth revealed by God in passages of the Old and New Testaments, but especially in the texts of Genesis 3:1-20. Sacred Tradition and the Church Magisterium teach that the sin of the first man is transmitted to all his descendants not through imitation but through propagation.
3.


Ratzinger is an Evolutionist, which by definition makes one an athiest. To quote Ratzinger...

    * ...for science has long since disposed of the concepts (Genesis: l-49) that we have just now heard ...we hear of the Big Bang, which happened billions of years ago.
    * ...it was rather in complex ways and over vast periods of time that earth and the universe were constructed. (p.12)
    * We cannot say: creation or evolution. The proper way of putting it is: creation and evolution. (p.65)
    * ...the progress of thought in the last two decades helps us to grasp anew the inner unity of creation and evolution and of faith and reason. (p.66)

Source: In the Beginning is an annotated version of a 4-homily series delivered by Joseph Ratzinger in Munich (1981). Subtitled A Catholic Understanding of the Story of Creation and the Fall, the book was published in Germany in 1985 and is now available in English translation.
“The first men were Adam and Eve, who were created immediately by God”
Source: Catechism of Christian Doctrine, published at the order of Pope St. Pius X
4.


Ratzinger favors Ecumenism...

The train that took the false religious leaders from the Vatican to Assisi was described by Ratzinger as “a symbol of our pilgrimage in history… Are we not all, perhaps, passengers on the same train?... Is not the fact that the train chose as its destiny peace and justice, and the reconciliation of peoples and religions, a great inspiration and, at the same time, a splendid sign of hope?”
Source: Zenit News Report, Feb. 21, 2002.
“Conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy ... Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who holds these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.”
Source: Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 2), Jan. 6, 1928
5.
Ratzinger does not condemn laxness in Catholics...

“I have nothing against people who, though they never enter a church during the year, go to Christmas Mass, or go on the occasion of some other celebration, because this is also a way of coming close to the light. Therefore, there must be different forms of involvement and participation.”
Source:Zenit News interview, Oct. 1, 2001
“All those who permit themselves to be lax in the practice of the faith will freeze in spiritual death just as surely as a person who permits himself to sleep poorly clothed in a below zero cold place.”
Source: Pope Pius XIII, Caritas (#32), March 1, 2003
6.


Ratzinger rejects the notion that non-Catholics should be converted...

“The new text describes the relationship between the Church and non-Catholic Christians without speaking of ‘membership.’ By shedding this terminological armor, the text acquired a much wider scope… The Catholic has to recognize that his own Church is not yet prepared to accept the phenomenon of multiplicity in unity; he must orient himself toward this reality… Meantime the Catholic Church has no right to absorb other Churches.”
Source: Joseph Ratzinger, Theological Highlights of Vatican II, New York: Paulist Press, 1966, pp. 61, 68
“It is a great consolation to receive correspondence from the four corners of the world. At a slow but regular pace people are joining Our world wide parish...That joining makes them one in the Mystical Body of Christ. What ruptures the Mystical Body of Christ? It is heresy, schism and apostasy. To get back into the Church those persons repent of their break from Christ, they make their profession of faith and receive an absolution that receives them back into the Church with the right to receive the sacraments. Once that has been accomplished the convert goes to confession to receive the absolution that takes away sin.”
Source: Pope Pius XIII, Caritas (#5), July 21, 1999
7.
Ratzinger denies the Resurrection of the Body...

“Paul [St. Paul] teaches not the resurrection of physical bodies but of persons…”
Source: Joseph Ratzinger, Introduction to Christianity, (republished in 1990 with Ratzinger’s approval), p. 277
“The same most holy Roman Church firmly believes, and firmly declares that nevertheless on the day of judgment all men will be brought together with their bodies before the tribunal of Christ to render an account of their own deeds.” (Denz. 464)
Source: Pope Gregory X, Council of Lyons II, 1274, ex cathedra

8.


Ratzinger teaches that schismatic sects (e.g., the “Orthodox” sects) have the Church of Christ present in them, even though they reject the Papacy...

“Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church since they do not accept the Catholic doctrine of the Primacy, which, according to the will of God, the Bishop of Rome objectively has and exercises over the entire Church.”
Source: Dominus Iesus #17, by Joseph Ratzinger, approved by bogus “pope” John Paul II, Aug. 6, 2000


“There are other, almost countless, proofs drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff.”
Source: Pope Pius IX, Amantissimus (# 3), April 8, 1862

“Finally, in one word, stay close to Us. For no one can be in the Church of Christ without being in unity with its visible head and founded on the See of Peter.”
Source: Pope Pius VI, Charitas (# 32), April 13, 1791

“Therefore if a man does not want to be, or to be called, a heretic, … but let him hasten before all things to be in communion with the Roman See.”
Source: Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum (# 13), June 29, 1896
9.
Ratzinger holds that the Jews can validly continue to await the coming of the Messiah...

In late 2001, the Pontifical Biblical Commission released a book entitled The Jewish People and the Holy Scriptures in the Christian Bible. This book argues that the Jews’ wait for the Coming of the Messiah is justified and validated by the Old Testament. Ratzinger wrote the preface for the book. So, in doing so, Ratzinger denies that that Jesus Christ is Messiah.


“And she shall bring forth a son: and thou shalt call his name Jesus. For he shall save his people from their sins.”
Source: Matthew 1:21

“For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.”
Source: Matthew 18:11[/quote]

NO ONE attacks my Papa like that!

[zabbazooey]

Here's "Pope Pius XIII"

If he's a pope, why is he wearing a monk's HABIT?!?!?!

[img]http://www.truecatholic.org/pix/ppjoy.jpg[/img]

[drewmeister2]

I mean by Church position, are they heretics? Or are they only schismatic?

Also, I know that their "Pope" Pius XIII is validly ordained (he was ordained a Catholic Church monk), but do the priest he ordains have valid Orders?

[zabbazooey]

Oh and by the way, their "religious orders" are SO not valid!!!

[zabbazooey]

They are heretics.

They are denying that Pope Benedict XVI and his predecessors are/were the Vicars of Christ.

[Cam42]

This is a schismatic group and Fr. Pulvemacher, is considered an anti-pope; precisely because he is validly ordained.

[Nathan]

Wow, I had no idea about these people. Crazy!

[zabbazooey]

CAM: Are they schismatics or heretics?

I thought they were heretics.

[Cam42]

[quote name='zabbazooey' date='Aug 24 2005, 09:11 PM']CAM: Are they schismatics or heretics?

I thought they were heretics.
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Schismatic.....
[quote name='CCC 2089']Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."[/quote]

They are schismatic....they may hold heretical views, but the position is a position of schism.

[Nathan]

Geez, that site is infuriating. This Pulvemacher character should be stripped of his priesthood and excommunicated for walking around and calling himself Pope like that.

[zabbazooey]

Ugh they piss me off

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I'm not sure "Pius XIII" can actually ordain priests, but he supposedly has some priest followers who were ordained validly.