photosynthesis Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 [url="http://www.jfjonline.org/"]http://www.jfjonline.org/[/url] What do you guys think about Jews for Jesus? I just got an email from my college's [url="http://hillel.org"]Hillel[/url] director that said Jews for Jesus is coming to [url="http://www.goucher.edu"]Goucher[/url]with their "Behold Your God" campaign. She seemed very worried that they were "proselytizing" the Jewish community and using "deceptive means" to get Jewish students at Goucher interested in Jews for Jesus events. I personally think she's overreacting, but I've heard bad things about Jews for Jesus, both from Jews and Christians alike. From my own experience, I worked in New York City last summer and was "proselytized" by them almost every day on the subways, getting their tracts. I kept telling them I believed in Jesus but they still kept shoving tracts in my face. I don't think JFJ is bad or anything, but their method of evangelization (corny t-shirts, passing out tracts, going up to random people on the street) isn't really my style. Plus, they're theologically Protestant. My campus' Hillel wants to meet with me as head of Catholic campus ministry, and I'm really not sure what to say to her, since I don't have any power to stop Jews For Jesus from coming on to campus and it doesn't seem like they are as "deceptive" as she makes them out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I ran accross Jews for Jesus a number of years ago in London, when I was staying on Finchley Street near their 'office'. As I understand them, they are a messianic cult. Jesus is the messiah, but they deny he is part of the divine Trinity of the One God. They are VERY forceful in their 'evangilization'. Calling themselves 'Jews for Jesus' is almost initially misleading. Christians tend to believe that they are Jews that are attempting to grow to Christianity. This is NOT the case. I have debated a number of messianics over the years. They do prostelyze. I can't say they are necessarily deceptive, but are mispercieved which they use to their advantage. They are NOT Protestant Christians theologically any more than Mormons are. What a Christian believes Jesus is, is NOT who they believe Jesus is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Wow... that's not been my impression of JFJ. We got on their mailing list many years ago and I never read anything that lead me to believe that they don't believe in the Trinity. While their evangelization tactics are agressive, i think their theology is standard evangelical Protestant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dspen2005 Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 i am assuming you mean, Messianic Jews. I can't help but have the feeling that they are "on the fence" embracing two faiths... Not fully committing to one or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertwoman Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 I've been to a messanic synogue once and it was a beautifull experience. They sang hymns in hebrew and prayed their traditional prayers calling on to Israel to worship and obey God. They Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua and they use it all the time. I never heared them say Jesus. They also have a name for the Holy Spirit but I forgot what it is, I have to do some research. But when I read their proclamation, they want to tell every Jewish person, that Yeshua is the Messiah and that he shall return to claim Jew and Gentle. They also pointed out scriptures (especially in the Old Testament) to prove and show that Yeshua is the Messiah). The whole vibe I recieved from it was that they didn't want their fellow Jews to think that they are no longer Jewish just cause they believe that Jesus is the Messiah. YOu can still celebrate the holy days that Jesus himself celebrated (Passover, Yom Kippur), have your Bar Mitvahs and so on. You are Jewish, be proud of your heritage, but know that Yeshua is the Messiah and he is the way to God now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrvoll Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 My friend, who is Plymoth Brethern go to a Jewish church and owns one of those little bowl hats. He says he is a big supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 [quote name='desertwoman' date='Aug 12 2005, 08:22 AM']I've been to a messanic synogue once and it was a beautifull experience. They sang hymns in hebrew and prayed their traditional prayers calling on to Israel to worship and obey God. They Hebrew name for Jesus is Yeshua and they use it all the time. I never heared them say Jesus. They also have a name for the Holy Spirit but I forgot what it is, I have to do some research. But when I read their proclamation, they want to tell every Jewish person, that Yeshua is the Messiah and that he shall return to claim Jew and Gentle. They also pointed out scriptures (especially in the Old Testament) to prove and show that Yeshua is the Messiah). The whole vibe I recieved from it was that they didn't want their fellow Jews to think that they are no longer Jewish just cause they believe that Jesus is the Messiah. YOu can still celebrate the holy days that Jesus himself celebrated (Passover, Yom Kippur), have your Bar Mitvahs and so on. You are Jewish, be proud of your heritage, but know that Yeshua is the Messiah and he is the way to God now. [right][snapback]683088[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The Maronite Church speaks in Aramaic during Mass. That's also an interesting experience. Yesua is how they say it in Arabic/Aramaic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted August 14, 2005 Author Share Posted August 14, 2005 [quote name='Mrvoll' date='Aug 13 2005, 04:48 PM']My friend, who is Plymoth Brethern go to a Jewish church and owns one of those little bowl hats. He says he is a big supporter. [right][snapback]684222[/snapback][/right] [/quote] little bowl hats? you do mean a yarmulka/quippa don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Alot of their tactics mirror those of the JW's. There is info on them in the reference section under Messianic Jews, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 In Southeastern Virginia is Temple Beth El, International headquarters of the Church of God and Saints of Christ - [url="http://www.cogasoc.org/main.html"]http://www.cogasoc.org/main.html[/url] - I'm not sure where they fit in - messianic judaism, but I think the Messiah came first, and then the Judaism (their history says they began to more fully embrace Judaism in the 1960s) - they date back to the late 1800s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 I think there own step closer in going the right direction. I mean aleast they believe in Jesus being Lord, though they may not follow traditional Protestantism or Catholicism, but its a step in the right direction I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Aug 12 2005, 03:04 AM'][url="http://www.jfjonline.org/"]http://www.jfjonline.org/[/url] What do you guys think about Jews for Jesus? [right][snapback]682982[/snapback][/right] [/quote] they are silly and behind the times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 16, 2005 Share Posted August 16, 2005 The Catholic Church "firmly believes, professes and teaches that the legal prescriptions of the old Testament or the Mosaic law, which are divided into ceremonies, holy sacrifices and sacraments, because they were instituted to signify something in the future, although they were adequate for the divine cult of that age, once our lord Jesus CHrist who was signified by them had come, came to an end and the sacraments of the new Testament had their beginning. Whoever, after the passion, places his hope in the legal prescriptions and submits himself to them as necessary for salvation and as if faith in Christ without them could not save, sins mortally. It does not deny that from Christ's passion until the promulgation of the gospel they could have been retained, provided they were in no way believed to be necessary for salvation. But it asserts that after the promulgation of the gospel they cannot be observed without loss of eternal salvation. Therefore it denounces all who after that time observe circumcision, the sabbath and other legal prescriptions as strangers to the faith of Christ and unable to share in eternal salvation, unless they recoil at some time from these errors. Therefore it strictly orders all who glory in the name of Christian, not to practise circumcision either before or after baptism, since whether or not they place their hope in it, it cannot possibly be observed without loss of eternal salvation." Council of Florence, Session 11, Bull of Union with the Copts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 i've collected articles on this topic here: [url="http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/219"]http://www.phatmass.com/directory/index.php/cat_id/219[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 here's the only article i could find from a catholic source: [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5897"]http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5897[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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