IcePrincessKRS Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 : Any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetpea316 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 08:09 PM']Yes, she is Lutheran, and the Real Presence only lasts so long as the recepient is receiving communion and it is not a true real presance, but consubstantiation. [right][snapback]670806[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Say what now? That was over my head for some reason. Explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 She's not Lutheran anymore, though. From her post (I linked to it in my previous post): [quote]I was [b]raised[/b] ELCA Lutheran. I am[b] currently a member[/b] of a Calvary Chapel church....... I am a Christian, Protestant, nondenominational, and not highly charismatic, I do not accept "Real Presence."[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 [quote name='sweetpea316' date='Aug 4 2005, 11:24 AM']Say what now? That was over my head for some reason. Explain? [right][snapback]671764[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The practical difference between transubstantiation and consubstantiation is that, while in transubstantiation the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ through the consecration of the priest, [b]but according to consubstantiation, the change occurs only upon receipt of the communion by the believer.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetpea316 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 [quote name='StColette' date='Aug 4 2005, 11:32 AM']The practical difference between transubstantiation and consubstantiation is that, while in transubstantiation the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ through the consecration of the priest, [b]but according to consubstantiation, the change occurs only upon receipt of the communion by the believer.[/b] [right][snapback]671779[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oooooooh. Gotcha. Thanks Jennie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 hehe I was going to tacke that next but Jennie beat me to it. She explained way better than I could have anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAF Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 [quote]The practical difference between transubstantiation and consubstantiation is that, while in transubstantiation the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ through the consecration of the priest, but according to consubstantiation, the change occurs only upon receipt of the communion by the believer.[/quote] Yeah, but consubstantiation isn't real, it's just an idea that many of our brothers and sisters have been led to believe. Anyway Light and Truth said herself that she doens't believe in Real Presence, so, because 1) it's not real, and 2) she shouldn't really care either way seeing as she doens't believe any of it-I don't think it'd be wrong for your congregation to drink their juice out of cups, and for you to keep one. in Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KatS Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 (edited) We Catholics are always keen on visual reminders. So if the communion cup reminds you of Christ, then I don't see anything wrong w/it - I guess you could check w/your pastor first Edited July 5, 2006 by KatS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 Well, I believe that there was only grape juice in your cup (no offense), so I think that you are just bringing home a used cup that would've been thrown out anyways, so it would probably be no big deal. If you believe that it is (or had) the Real Presence, and that is what your Church teaches you, you should probably consult with your pastor. They may not be just throwing out the cups if that is the case, and there may be a specific procedure for the cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest phatdaddy Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 [quote name='prose' post='1017657' date='Jul 5 2006, 04:28 PM'] Well, I believe that there was only grape juice in your cup (no offense), so I think that you are just bringing home a used cup that would've been thrown out anyways, so it would probably be no big deal. If you believe that it is (or had) the Real Presence, and that is what your Church teaches you, you should probably consult with your pastor. They may not be just throwing out the cups if that is the case, and there may be a specific procedure for the cups. [/quote] The issue concerning the plastic cup and the grape juice is of little consequence and should have been addressed by just applying common sense. Care should be taken when when attempting to discuss the deeper subject of transubstantiation vs consubstantiation. As a Catholic we must be clear as to what we believe and not confuse the reality. The Church has spoken on this subject many times as this is a pivitol doctrine. Also, it is not demeaning or disrespectful to speak the truth. The truth is this: Only though the words of a Catholic priest, validly ordained, is the the bread and wine transubstantiated into the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. The substance of bread and wine no longer exist, the substance becomes the body of Jesus. Whereas in some protestant circles, the term "real Presence" is used, it is not understood or even taught as Catholic doctrine reveals it. Besides, even if someone were to believe that what the protestant minister was giving him was the body of Christ, his belief would not make it so. It's not the faith of the individual receiving the communion that makes it the "real presence". It is only through the words of a Catholic priest. Again, the cup thing? do what you think is right. Mr. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted July 5, 2006 Author Share Posted July 5, 2006 [quote name='DAF' post='1016470' date='Jul 2 2006, 10:53 PM'] Yeah, but consubstantiation isn't real, it's just an idea that many of our brothers and sisters have been led to believe. Anyway Light and Truth said herself that she doens't believe in Real Presence, so, because 1) it's not real, and 2) she shouldn't really care either way seeing as she doens't believe any of it-I don't think it'd be wrong for your congregation to drink their juice out of cups, and for you to keep one. in Christ [/quote] I don't go to this church much for sunday services anymore, but since this is brought up again... I disagree with this post. It's not enough reason to support the idea that it would not be disrespectful. Communion may not seem like much to Catholics who criticize the lack of Real Presence, but it does mean something to Protestants and it's a symbolic action taken during worship in rememberance of Christ. That differentiates it from say a cup at the refreshment stand outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 It does not matter if you throw the cups away. They do not contain the blood of Christ. how come you are asking a bunch of Catholics, who believe in the real prescence about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted July 6, 2006 Author Share Posted July 6, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' post='1017811' date='Jul 5 2006, 04:39 PM'] It does not matter if you throw the cups away. They do not contain the blood of Christ. how come you are asking a bunch of Catholics, who believe in the real prescence about this? [/quote] It was 11 months ago. My memory fails me in that question except that I am not currently asking. Also, I stopped going to that church much for services five months ago. Grave diggers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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