phatcatholic Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 yea, whenever i start to think that its all in vain, i try to remember the people who are always lurking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Looks like you boys were busy in during my leave. How's the debate going ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 1, 2005 Author Share Posted August 1, 2005 [quote name='StColette' date='Aug 1 2005, 10:13 AM']Looks like you boys were busy in during my leave. How's the debate going ? [right][snapback]667101[/snapback][/right] [/quote] She has dug her heals in and won't recant. Noone will come to her defense but they won't deny what she has said either. I probably need to leave it alone now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I don't see how she couldn't understand that Mary knew. Especially after what Gabriel told her at the Annunciation. 31 Behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name him Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and the Lord God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end." 34 But Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I have no relations with a man?" 35 And the angel said to her in reply, "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 38 Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word." Then the angel departed from her. And then with what St. Elizabeth said to her 45 Blessed are you who believed that what was spoken to you by the Lord would be fulfilled." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 1, 2005 Author Share Posted August 1, 2005 Well we're ignorant Catholics who never read the Bible and only spit back what we have been told. Or so she tells me. It amazes me as well. Pride is the root. Pray for them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 hmm we never read the Bible lol okie pokie, guess trying to explain the four Bibles by my bed would be kinda difficult lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 1, 2005 Author Share Posted August 1, 2005 (edited) [quote name='StColette' date='Aug 1 2005, 02:08 PM']hmm we never read the Bible lol okie pokie, guess trying to explain the four Bibles by my bed would be kinda difficult lol [right][snapback]667402[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Don't tell your priest. Next think you know you'll be gettin a call from this new Pope at the Vatican about what's on the Index of forbidden books. Edited August 1, 2005 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 [quote name='thessalonian' date='Aug 1 2005, 02:43 PM']Don't tell your priest. Next think you know you'll be gettin a call from this new Pope at the Vatican about what's on the Index of forbidden books. [right][snapback]667462[/snapback][/right] [/quote] ROFLLL *hides the forbidden books* lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Corinthians13 Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I heard something recently concerning Elizabeth calling Mary "blessed among women." According to Fr. Mitch Pacwa, in Hebrew (or Aramaic - or w/e it was, lol) there are no superlatives. So Elizabeth could not say "You are the most blessed woman." Instead of using superlatives, they would say "blessed among" or something to that affect. When Elizabeth says "Blessed are you among women." she is saying "You are the most blessed woman." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 hmmm that's interesting. Nick have you ever heard of this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
journeyman Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Did I see that Bro Adam was picking up some languages this summer? I think they were Greek and Latin . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I believe he was taking Greek , I'm not sure though. lol I can tell you all about kecharitomene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 2, 2005 Author Share Posted August 2, 2005 [quote name='Corinthians13' date='Aug 1 2005, 05:28 PM']I heard something recently concerning Elizabeth calling Mary "blessed among women." According to Fr. Mitch Pacwa, in Hebrew (or Aramaic - or w/e it was, lol) there are no superlatives. So Elizabeth could not say "You are the most blessed woman." Instead of using superlatives, they would say "blessed among" or something to that affect. When Elizabeth says "Blessed are you among women." she is saying "You are the most blessed woman." [right][snapback]667725[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Certainly in the English it is a bit ambiguous. The idea that it says she is just another of the millions of blessed women is total nonsense. If she is not more blessed then I've got land to sell you in Floriday. Why would scripture even say it if it just meant, oh she recieved a blessing. How nice. She recieved the son of God in her womb and brought infinite blessings in to her life and in to the world. This is plain for any but the hardest of hearts to see. Pacwa's thoughts are intuitively obvious. Anything else is just plain dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 There is truth to this. It is possible (and perhaps most appropriate) to translate the text as "most blessed are you among women". Some translations take this route. What's most interesting to me in the Visitation are the OT connections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 1 2005, 11:27 PM']There is truth to this. It is possible (and perhaps most appropriate) to translate the text as "most blessed are you among women". Some translations take this route. What's most interesting to me in the Visitation are the OT connections. [right][snapback]668184[/snapback][/right] [/quote] you mean the parallels w/ the OT ark? please, do elaborate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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