nikkan_hanil Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 The Church interprets Scripture under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Pope doesn't do this by himself. Yes, most of the times, we the Church, make decisions as a whole. The Pope is not infallible, but the Church is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 You Go Captain Diagram! alas, i fear i may not deserve the title, for i cannot think up a diagram against women's ordination. i can talk up a storm, though B) just check out The Two Gender-SPecific Sacraments UNDER FIRE Part I. i'm really havin a tough time thinkin of a diagram. hmmm... :wacko: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Yes, most of the times, we the Church, make decisions as a whole. The Pope is not infallible, but the Church is. Say whaaat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 When I said "infallible" I meant in his modern decisions. He is a human as well you know and sins just like everyone else, but the Church herself, the one that Christ Himself established is infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 The Holy Father is infallible in teachings on Faith and Morals. What "modern" decisions are you referring to? peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 The pope is not impeccable, however he is infallible. Nikan, its time for a little lesson on the popes authority, I think. go www.catholic.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Ah, Blazer, now that I understand, and agree with. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 i'm not sure i understand. because i would not say the Pope is infallible in his 'modern decisions' as far as i understand 'modern decisions' like if he calls the Iraq war an injust war, that is not infallible on the grounds that he does not necessarily have all the info on the war. Yet, he COULD teach infallibly on what constitutes a just war and what constitutes an injust war. it wouldn't contradict Church teaching over the past 2000 years, either. THe Holy Spirit wouldn't allow it to. now, i didn't say that he was right or wrong about the Iraqui war, just that under the teaching of the Church we are not required to agree with him. i'm not gonna debate the Iraqui war here. anyway, that's all i could see for modern decisions. unless,,, you mean,,, modern decisions regarding defining doctrine that was not necessary to be defined before. such as the all male priesthood was not necessary to be defined way back when as the UNCHANGING GOD, THE ONE WHO IS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER, was not calling women to the priesthood back then. but now that they claim He is, a modern decision which the Pope can make infallibly is that only men can be priests, and only men are called to be priests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 Actually, If the4 Pope declared the war an unjust war, it would be. He didn't officially say anything however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 p.s. The Pope is infallible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 5, 2003 Share Posted December 5, 2003 are you sure? i thought on matters of current events n stuff, He wasn't infallible. only on proclaiming doctrine. like how Peter taught the faith as had been revealed by the Father through Christ infallibly, yet in current events he messed up, denying Christ when He was arrested and kutting off the servant's ear, even though that wasn't Christ's will. etc. etc. i kuld be wrong, we need an intellectual of Church documents. although it's clear at certain points of history ppl thought (and may have been right, i will yield my current opinion to the Church's position when it is show me) that he was infallible on matters of current events. like when a Pope called for, i think the first crusade, the ppl shouted "God wills it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 The pope isn't infallible, except when he speaks for the Church on Faith and Morals. Then, he is infallible!!! However, in his wisdom, it would extremely rare for him to publicly speak out on anything that he didn't pray and study first. But, say while visiting Mexico, he asks for a drink of water...now, that would be a modern decision that could be a big mistake! Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 Sorry. Bad choice of words. -_- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted December 6, 2003 Share Posted December 6, 2003 No problem nikkan... we're here for you .....to jump all over you when you make even small mistakes~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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