photosynthesis Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 22 2005, 03:14 PM']the only thing that separates the USA from any other socialist country is free enterprize. People like George W. Bush, who make up 5% of the nations population control 95% of the nations wealth. So, yea, you might as well call us a socialist country. [right][snapback]654452[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i don't know as if that has anything to do with what the topic is about, but OK... as for the clear backpacks...where the heck do you get one of those things anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Jul 22 2005, 01:22 PM'] as for the clear backpacks...where the heck do you get one of those things anyway? [right][snapback]654460[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Walmart, Target, Kroger - all the school kids here have to have them. It offends me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jul 22 2005, 04:00 PM']Walmart, Target, Kroger - all the school kids here have to have them. It offends me personally. [right][snapback]654512[/snapback][/right] [/quote] wow...texas must be a weird place. i've never seen that on the east coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 I've seen them in Target. But I never understood the concept of them. To make clear backpacks mandatory is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jul 22 2005, 12:43 PM']I don't see my comments as harsh at all. If hundreds of people are killed who could have been saved if the government had taken some sort of action, say by searching backpacks and things like that, I think such searches are perfectly reasonable. I would hate to know that hundreds of people died while riding BART because I didn't want my backpack searched. [right][snapback]654422[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The argument can be made that the increase in security at the airport has done nothing to deter terrorists and has been for to placate travellers. The reality is that if ever there was another terrorist that got onboard a plane with a box cutter, the pilot would drop 10,000 ft and have him on the roof of the plane before he could get close to cockpit. The rules have changed. I agree with Carrie that this(searching of backpacks) , like going to the ballpark, is to placate and not to protect. Perhaps it will divert terrorists from attacking our subways. But it absolutely is giving them victory by adding to our fear. Is it an inconvenience or is it a restriction of rights? Edited July 22, 2005 by jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 22 2005, 01:40 PM']The argument can be made that the increase in security at the airport has done nothing to deter terrorists and has been for to placate travellers. [right][snapback]654730[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually an argument can't be made to support that contention, but certainly one can state that as a matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 22 2005, 05:40 PM']But it absolutely is giving them victory by adding to our fear. [right][snapback]654730[/snapback][/right] [/quote] This is [b]exactly[/b] the point of terrorism. Terrorism is not about the killing, although massive deaths are a big bonus to them. Terrorism is about instilling fear and terror in people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 22 2005, 01:44 PM']Terrorism is not about the killing, although massive deaths are a big bonus to them. [right][snapback]654744[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I beg to differ, terrorism is most certainly about killing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jul 22 2005, 05:46 PM']I beg to differ, terrorism is most certainly about killing people. [right][snapback]654751[/snapback][/right] [/quote] It is not the main objective. The main objective is to terrorize people. What better way to terrorize than to cause deaths? But the deaths are not the main goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 22 2005, 01:50 PM']It is not the main objective. [right][snapback]654759[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Are you really that naive? Of course the primary purpose is to kill people when you blow up a bomb on a subway; the secondary effect is to instill fear. I must admit that I find some of your comments on this subject rather offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 I'm not sure how I've offended you when I've offered no personal comments towards you. Meanwhile, you've called me naive and included my feelings on my family in this matter. Can we not stick to debating objectively? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jul 22 2005, 05:52 PM']Are you really that naive? Of course the primary purpose is to kill people when you blow up a bomb on a subway; the secondary effect is to instill fear. I must admit that I find some of your comments on this subject rather offensive. [right][snapback]654761[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The primary purpose is to instill so much fear into a society that they cannot properly function, which weakens them, and makes them vulnerable in every aspect possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 22 2005, 01:58 PM']I'm not sure how I've offended you when I've offered no personal comments towards you. Meanwhile, you've called me naive and included my feelings on my family in this matter. Can we not stick to debating objectively? [right][snapback]654768[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I didn't say I was "personally" offended, I said that some of your comments are offensive. Some of what you've said could be compared to saying that Hitler put the Jews in concentration camps in order to purify German culture, and only secondarily to commit genocide. The primary goal of a terrorist attack is to kill innocent people, as many people as possible, and by that act of mass murder to frighten others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jul 22 2005, 06:02 PM']Some of what you've said could be compared to saying that Hitler put the Jews in concentration camps in order to purify German culture, and only secondarily to commit genocide.[/quote] Now [b]that[/b] is offensive to me. [quote]The primary goal of a terrorist attack is to kill innocent people, as many people as possible, and by that act of mass murder to frighten others. [right][snapback]654774[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Read my last post please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 22 2005, 02:05 PM']Now [b]that[/b] is offensive to me. [right][snapback]654779[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Good, then I have made my point. The murder of people is offensive and must not be reduced to some politically correct comments about trying to primarily create fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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