Democrats - From someone's blog

[ironmonk]

[quote]Today, after watching "Inside Politics: Sunday" on CNN, I have come to the conclusion that I don't like democrats.  Though they were never favored in my book, now I don't like them. 

One could attribute it to their moral standpoints, and how they are against faith, and taking God out of the country. 

One could say it is because of their stance on abortion... and how it is your choice to kill human life.

But today I found another reason; their economic stances.

If we as a nation raised the mininum wage, it would hurt us!  Businesses then would have to raise their prices, to compesate for how much you are losing by paying an employee more money.

Democrats do not to want to change Social Security.  But if we don't change Social Security now, when my generation, (Creepy Aliens) are at the age of retirment, there will be no Social Secuirty.  We will work until our dying breath.

Presiden't Bush's plan is reasonable.  We should establish a savings account we can call our own.  And take say, 15 dollars out of every check, so we can provide for ourselves, when we are in our 70's.

Well, this is my rant for the day, on Democrats, and their economic stances.[/quote]


I read this on one of the blogs from someone I have the highest respect for, and I thought some others here will like it (and not like it). If he wants himself to be known then he'll post it here.

I have a few things to note....

"Welcome to the light brother!!!!"

Also, about the econ stances... their plans create dependancy on social programs, which is against the Catholic faith.... and against all common sense.

Minimum wage is an entry wage, most people on minimum wage are those working in entry level jobs and teens. It's not meant to live on. People need to work to improve themselves to move up the pay ladder, it's stupid to just raise the minimum wage because the cost of living will go up in proportion to it because the money to raise the wage comes from the cost of goods... it is common sense.

and one of my favorite websites:

[url="http://www.DemocratsNoMore.com"]http://www.DemocratsNoMore.com[/url]


The party has become anti-Catholic in nature. Catholics come out of the evil and join the people's party so you can vote in primaries and we can get good Catholics in office... Republican


God Bless!!!
ironmonk

Edited July 20, 2005 by ironmonk

[Jaime]

There is a good link on this topic [url="http://www.democratsforlife.org/"]here![/url]

[ironmonk]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:54 PM']There is a good link on this topic [url="http://www.democratsforlife.org/"]here![/url]
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Their views do not reflect those dems in office nor the national agenda. Also, it's not just that they support murder that is the problem with the dems.

I cannot think of one good thing about the dem party's agenda. It seems that it is simply based on the opposite of what the reps want.

The rep agenda needs a little work, but it is more in line with Catholic teaching by leaps and bounds compared to the dems party.

The dems party is a bunch of niche groups... many focused on one or two issues and ignore everything else.

There is no logical reason for a Catholic to be a democrat in today's times. It is foolish to remain loyal to a party simply because of the party. The agenda should dictate what party to belong to.

The reason why I'm a registered rep is so that I can vote in the primaries and get good Catholic elected.


Democracies are a poor choice of government... when people can vote their way into the treasury, then everything will fall to the lowest common denominator. That is why we have a Republic form of government. Anyone who wants to argue this case, read the US Constitution. Leaders need to have some kind of backbone and statesmanship - not base their views on polls. People that base their views on polls do not care about what is right, they only care about keeping a cushy job and power over the poor.

[Carrie]

Thanks for the link hot stuff!

I am going to see how I can get involved with them!

I'm excited!

[ironmonk]

Maybe you should get educated about our political responsibility....

[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]

[Carrie]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 20 2005, 03:40 PM']Maybe you should get educated about our political responsibility....

[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]

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I am!

hot stuff's link will be great for that!

[Jaime]

perhaps the bishops have a differing opinion than you

From the USCCB

[quote]During this past legislative session, most policy issues were dealt with in the context of the “balanced budget” debate. Our concerns about children and families and vulnerable workers faced significant obstacles during a debate which often focused more on tax cuts than it did on the lives and welfare of poor and working families in this country. Despite these substantial difficulties, the USCC’s and your work resulted in some significant and unexpected positive outcomes. In a Congress which promised only to cut spending and taxes:

    * more than $24 billion dollars [funded in part by an increase in the tax on tobacco products] was allocated to assisting families in providing health insurance for their children [see enclosed piece on The Children’s Health Insurance Program]:
    * supplemental security income benefits were restored to legal immigrants [see Welfare Provisions in the Budget];
    * the child tax credit was extended to many low and moderate income families; and
    * increased funds were allocated to assist states in moving welfare recipients to work, including protections for those workers [see Welfare Provisions in the Budget].

While we should all be proud of what we did accomplish, the budget and tax legislation sets a direction which is worrisome. A report by The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities shows that the hard won gains in social programs (which primarily assist low- and moderate-income children and families, legal immigrants, and elderly people) are modest in size and, unless they are vigorously monitored and maintained, will dissipate over time, while the legislation’s tax reductions for high-income individuals will increase substantially and grow larger over time. The full report complete with graphs, charts and budget numbers can be obtained from: The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities at 202.408.1080.


Details

Some accounts of the new budget and tax legislation signed into law August 5 portray the legislation as balancing substantial social program initiatives, such as increased funding for child health insurance, with tax cuts favored by the Congressional majority, such as capital gains and estate tax reductions. Here are some details of those components of the tax and spending bills.

USCC Priorities: Of the six significant social program initiatives included in the legislation, the USCC actively worked on four. They area: 1) a child health block grant; 2) jobs program for welfare recipients; 3) eligibility of legal immigrants for social services; 4) jobs program for food stamp recipients. Most of these programs operate through grants to states and funding for five of the six will need to be reauthorized and funded by Congress in the future. Only the exclusion of low-income elderly from increased Medicare premiums and increasing preventive services covered by Medicare were not priorities on our legislative agenda although we monitored them during the year.


Tax Benefits for Low- and Moderate-Income Households

The new legislation also includes provisions that cut taxes for many families with children, principally through the child tax credit. Because of the insistence of the USCC and others, the new law extends the child credit to many families in the $15,000 to $25,000 range. The child credit, like the minimum wage, will need adjustment in the future or its benefits will erode in value over time because it is not indexed for inflation.

Unfortunately, because of the Earned Income Tax Credit and the exclusion of poverty wages from the income tax, working poor families and some working families just above the poverty line will not benefit. Thirty-one percent of children, those with the lowest family incomes, will not qualify for the new child credit.

A number of moderate-income families and many middle-income families also will benefit from the education tax credits. Because these credits are not refundable, however, poor and near-poor families will derive little or no benefit from them.

The tax bill also includes empowerment zone and “Brownfields” provisions intended to promote economic growth in low-income communities and an increased tax subsidy for employers who have hired welfare recipients. These provisions are small, and will need to be renewed through annual appropriations.


Tax Provisions

The tax bill provides tax cuts targeted primarily on wealthy individuals that expand substantially as the years go by. Three major tax provisions, cut in capital gains, estate tax cuts, and the reduction in the corporate alternative minimum tax focus the lion's share of their benefits on the top five percent (and especially the top one percent) of the population. These provisions lose $14.4 billion in revenue in the years through 2002, but $61.1 billion in the five years after that.

The three tax cut provisions--aimed primarily at wealthy individuals--cost almost twice as much in 2007 as all of these social program initiatives combined. The estate tax cut alone costs $8.9 billion in 2007, more than the $8.6 billion cost for all social program initiatives found in the legislation. After 2007, the social programs which typically are focused on low- and moderate-income families and individuals, will need to be revisited by Congress in order to be sustained while the high-income tax cuts continue to grow.


Program Reductions and Long-Term Effects

In order not to cause the deficit to grow even larger because of the swelling tax cuts, the new law relies on the steadily enlarging reductions in the health care entitlement programs and discretionary programs. The reductions in discretionary programs start small and then become substantially deeper. Similarly, the savings from Medicare and Medicaid provisions grow markedly over time as well. In the case of Medicaid, these reductions are achieved primarily by reducing payments to states for “disproportionate share hospitals” (hospitals that serve a disproportionate number of low-income and uninsured patients). While the legislation does produce long-term deficit reduction, it is significantly smaller than it would be without the tax cuts.

Finally, even with the deficit reduction the legislation does achieve, deficits are projected to return and climb to levels dangerous for the economy when the baby boom generation retires. As a result, those elements of the new legislation that reduce taxes or increase expenditures likely will have to be offset eventually by further program cuts or by tax increases. [/quote]

Not exactly republican platform material.

[Socrates]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 20 2005, 01:47 PM']perhaps the bishops have a differing opinion than you

From the USCCB
Not exactly republican platform material.
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The USCCB's left-leaning political agenda is hardly infallible.

[Jaime]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 20 2005, 01:40 PM']Maybe you should get educated about our political responsibility....

[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]

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[quote name='Socrates' date='Jul 20 2005, 02:00 PM']The USCCB's left-leaning political agenda is hardly infallible.
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Sorry but you guys can't have it both ways!!

[Jaime]

[quote][b]Their views do not reflect those dems in office[/b] nor the national agenda.[/quote]


This page lists the hundreds of active members in public office AND members of [url="http://www.democratsforlife.org/restore/democra2/dfla/DFLAallstars.htm"]Democrats for Life[/url]

[ironmonk]

hot stuff,
Maybe you should read the link I posted about our Catholic political responsibility.

The Church is where I get my opinions, your attempts at twisting the teachings are sad and show anyone that has read the guide from the US Conf. of Bishops that you have no clue what you are talking about.

You might consider doing some exercises in logical thinking, while at the same time actually studying our faith.


Carrie,

[quote]I am!

hot stuff's link will be great for that!
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That is one of the most ignorant statements that I've read in a long time. Ignorance is not bliss.



As I have stated before... anyone who is a Catholic and insists on voting democrat and being a part of that party fits one or more of the following.....

1.) knows little about our faith
2.) is a fake Catholic
3.) has been dooped by lies
4.) does not possess a high enough intelligence to realize how the modern democrat party agenda is crooked and incompatible with Catholicism

The proof of the above statements will be obvious to anyone who has an average IQ, knows the Catechism, the Scriptures, and the democrat agenda.

Maybe one day the democrat party will change. If the republican party degrades into what the democrat party has become, I would leave it. It is a shame that many Catholics are not wise enough to do the same with the crooked party. It would be nice if people could learn to think. The dems are like the Jack Chick's and Ian Paisley's of politics - they lie and twist the rep party's policies and ignore the truth. That is how they keep so many people dooped.

I will always stand by what the Catholic Church teaches. I will go to whatever party is closest to the teachings and has a realistic chance to win elections.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 20 2005, 04:35 PM']This page lists the hundreds of  active members in public office AND  members of [url="http://www.democratsforlife.org/restore/democra2/dfla/DFLAallstars.htm"]Democrats for Life[/url]
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Almost all dems that claim to be for life will change their view if they seek national office. When will you people get the clue that the party is evil.

Kennedy, Clinton, Gore, Jesse Jackson had been pro-life up until the early '80s.



[url="http://www.virtuousdemocracy.org/democratsnomore/platformscomparison.pdf"]Click here to compare the party platforms on key Biblical issues.[/url]


[url="http://www.virtuousdemocracy.org/democratsnomore/timelineeng.pdf"]Click here for a timeline of the Democratic Party platform[/url]



[quote]A Primer on the Democratic Party

The democrats are for the little man so long as you aren’t an unborn little man

The democrats are for the black man unless your name is Walter Williams or Clarence Thomas

The democrats are for the Hispanics so long as your name isn’t Miguel Estrada

The democrats are for women so long as they aren’t Concerned Women for America

The democrats are for the working man so long as you don’t become rich from being a working man.

The democrats are for the people so long as such people are the people of the Democratic Party.

The democrats avoid stereotyping unless you are a white male, a Christian, pro-life, own a gun or just simply disagree with the Democratic Party.

The democrats are for diversity so long as your diversity does not diverge from the agenda of the Democratic Party.

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[Carrie]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 20 2005, 05:17 PM']Carrie,
That is one of the most ignorant statements that I've read in a long time. Ignorance is not bliss.
As I have stated before... anyone who is a Catholic and insists on voting democrat and being a part of that party fits one or more of the following.....
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Dude, get off your high horse.

Your "if you don't agree with me, then you're completely wrong and ignorant" attitude gets tiresome.


I'm educated in my faith AND I can have my own opinions on politics.

Shocking, ain't it?

[Jaime]

To suggest that I (or Carrie for that matter) am "ignorant" of my faith because I ascribe to many of the political philosophies of the democratic party is laughable.

You state that I am twisting the writings of the USCCB? It is the document completely unedited. There is no twisting.

So therefore you launch into a personal attack. Why? Because you cannot make an intelligent response.

You simply say "you're ignorant" "learn your faith"

You want to be a republican Catholic? That's your right. To suggest that anyone who agrees with the Democratic party and disagrees with you on social justice and social reform programs isn't Catholic is quite simply wrong

And as I've demonstrated, the USCCB holds more to a democratic philosophy on social justice and reform programs. So you are critizing them as well.

And while you don't think I know much about the Catholic faith, I do know that WE DO NOT criticize our bishops in public!!

[Cam42]

Incidentally, I know Delores Mertz. She represents my parents district in Iowa.

While I don't agree with her on all her issues, my dad works pretty closely with her and has broken party lines to vote for her.

She is a strong supporter of the "Municipal Philosophy." That is a philosophy that more or less defines the idea of energy municipals v. the large energy companies, such as Edision Power or Mid-America Engery.