infinitelord1 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 from demons influencing us to demon possession and possible demons existing in flesh............what is your stance on the existence of demons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 20 2005, 12:47 AM']from demons influencing us to demon possession and possible demons existing in flesh............what is your stance on the existence of demons. [right][snapback]650667[/snapback][/right] [/quote] They exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 They exist, but not "in the flesh." They are fallen angels (those that rejected God and are damned) and (like good angels) are pure spirit, having no body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honour Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jul 20 2005, 09:44 AM']They exist, but not "in the flesh." They are fallen angels (those that rejected God and are damned) and (like good angels) are pure spirit, having no body. [right][snapback]651054[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What about a demon possesing a human body? And if demons can posses a human.....can angels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 "Possessing" a human body is not the same thing as having one. This is a distinction that is made with Christ himself. He did not put on his human nature as a mask; he actually assumed it, was ontologically united to it. Angels can put on a body as a "mask", as they frequently did in the Old Testament. But they do not possess people, as do demons. The only reason a demon possesses someone is because they have been invited, and they must carry out evil. A person who invites the good will invite God himself to possess his soul, not an angel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Honour' date='Jul 20 2005, 11:47 AM']What about a demon possesing a human body? And if demons can posses a human.....can angels? [right][snapback]651057[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I don't know about the latter question, but there are quite a number of accounts of demons possessing humans. From what I've been told, demons can only possess someone if he gives them permission. I don't like to delve much more into demonology, really. It's scary stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honour Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jul 20 2005, 09:59 AM'] Angels can put on a body as a "mask", as they frequently did in the Old Testament. But they do not possess people, as do demons. [right][snapback]651067[/snapback][/right] [/quote] So..If an angel could put on a "body mask", could not a demon? And wouldn't that be a demon in the flesh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Honour' date='Jul 20 2005, 12:05 PM']So..If an angel could put on a "body mask", could not a demon? And wouldn't that be a demon in the flesh? [right][snapback]651069[/snapback][/right] [/quote] hmm it would make sense to me that demons would be able to appear as humans as Angels have been able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Yes, a demon could do it. As St. Paul tells us, demons also appear as angels of light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honour Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='scardella' date='Jul 20 2005, 10:04 AM'] I don't like to delve much more into demonology, really. It's scary stuff. [right][snapback]651068[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I agree one should excerise great caution and examine all motives before attempting to obtain information about demons. However, complete ignorance is not the way to go in my opinion. You are talking about beings that can negitively influence your spiritual life...you need to know at least that they exist...and understand what they can and cannot do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jul 20 2005, 12:07 PM']Yes, a demon could do it. As St. Paul tells us, demons also appear as angels of light. [right][snapback]651072[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I thought he only said that about Satan yep 2Cor:11:14: 14 And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light. (DRV) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honour Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jul 20 2005, 09:59 AM']" The only reason a demon possesses someone is because they have been invited, and they must carry out evil. [right][snapback]651067[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote name=' scardella' date='Jul 20 2005, 10:04 AM ']From what I've been told, demons can only possess someone if he gives them permission.[/quote] Very interesting information....references? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Honour' date='Jul 20 2005, 12:09 PM']I agree one should excerise great caution and examine all motives before attempting to obtain information about demons. However, complete ignorance is not the way to go in my opinion. You are talking about beings that can negitively influence your spiritual life...you need to know at least that they exist...and understand what they can and cannot do. [right][snapback]651076[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Mostly they just negatively affect our thoughts and tempt us. Usually the best way to get people to go to hell is to completely ignore or disbeleive in their existance, so they typically keep a low profile, unless we "invite" them into our lives throught the occult. Very holy people can also be prone to visible demonic attacks, which God allows so they can gain grace by overcoming Satan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote]"The relationship between freedom of the will and diabolic possession is more complex. Culpable possession occurs when we misuse our freedom; as a result, we pay the consequence of the mistakes that brought about demonic possession. When possession is not culpable--because it stems from divine permission or from a malefice--man suffers from it against his free will, but he is called to respond to his trial as he would any other human adversity, such as disease. No matter what the origin, possession does not deprive us of freedom except during times of acute crisis, when we are not responsible for our words and actions. Freedom of the will, nevertheless, remains. We are still free to commit good or evil actions, to sanctify ourselves or to beaver dam ourselves." --Father Gabriele Amorth, Chief Exorcist for the Diocese of Rome[/quote] So it's a bit nuanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little_angel202 Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 perhaps a deamon could posses a dead persons body if this person had gone to hell and then given a deamon permission to posses his body? thoughts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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