Anna Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 You know, it's always very interesting to turn the argument around and discuss the baby as if it was a kitten or a puppy. I mean it! Really, ask if a mother cat was giving birth, and one of the feline fetuses head popped out, would it be ok to crush the skull and remove the brains...as long as the rest of the kitten's body hadn't emerged from its mother yet? Oh, how sick! How gross! Who could do such a thing to a poor, defenseless little kitten?!!! Then, you've won the argument. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 ohhh, that's so good! I'm going to use that! I'm going to lunch with them in about a half hour. I'll let you know how it went when I get back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 You know, it's always very interesting to turn the argument around and discuss the baby as if it was a kitten or a puppy. I mean it! Really, ask if a mother cat was giving birth, and one of the feline fetuses head popped out, would it be ok to crush the skull and remove the brains...as long as the rest of the kitten's body hadn't emerged from its mother yet? Oh, how sick! How gross! Who could do such a thing to a poor, defenseless little kitten?!!! Then, you've won the argument. You're exactly right Anna. That has been baffling me for the longest time. These same "rights" activists who would just assoon die themselves before giving in to the notion that abortion is murder, they are the same ones who would raise a zillion bucks to find the "evil" killer who would throw a puppy into traffic. So, basically they are saying that a human "fetus" is LESS than an animal. These same darn tree huggers would fight for the right of a stinking amoeba, yet do all they can to permit the destruction of a human life! It is WAY beyond me how they ration that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 Post a picture of a baby whale holding a sign saying "save the babies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TXRedRaider383 Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 i think that abortion is not ok and the kid should be put up for adaoption. i also think that adoption is your best bet when dealing with that or mabay you should keep your legs closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 Ok, I'm back from lunch. I brought some of the pamphlets with me to show the girls. They all flipped through them. The Catholic girl flinched noticeably when she looked at some of the pictures. Maybe actually seeing the reality of what is done to those babies will sink in now that she has seen it. The girl who is a Jehova didn't react at all. I asked them both how they could support abortion when both religions forbid abortion. The Catholic girl just shrugged and said she didn't agree with everything the Church teaches. The Jehova girl said "that's just my opinion." Neither of those answers were good in my opinion...just a vague way to try to get me off their backs. The Wiccan girl is a different story entirely. She was very angry I brought the pamphlets, but her curiosity got the best of her and she did look at them anyway. She went on to tell me that her relationship with her boyfriend is "open", meaning they sleep around with different people. She told me that she doesn't want to get pregnant from anyone she sleeps with, but doesn't like contraception, so abortion is a good option for her. Needless to say, my jaw was on the floor. Not only is she having sex outside of marriage, being unfaithful to the person she is with, but also using murder as an easy way to get out of a situation she should never subject herself too. There were too many issues there to tackle at once, so I stuck with trying to make her see that the "fetus" was in fact a baby. I used Anna's idea and asked her about the kitten. She was appalled (she is an avid animal lover) at even having to hear the example. When I told her to think about that being done to a baby, she got very quiet. I don't think it's really sunk in for her yet, but I can tell the example of the kitten REALLY bothered her. Another plus is that there were no personal attacks today. I think that's a step in the right direction. Although she was angry, she listened. I gave her some of the pamphlets to keep and she took them. Whether or not she'll actually look at them is another story, but she's been given a chance too. I'm going to keep it up for as long as I need to, even if l don't get invited to lunch as often ) Any ideas on what I could have done better or differently? I'm not very good at apologetics, so any advice is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 WOW!!!! GREAT JOB CARRIE!!!!!! YOU ARE amesome!!!! WAY TO STICK UP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN!!!! I think you maybe give them a day or two to think about what you've said. You don't want to be on their backs about it all the time.....give it some time to sink in and for them to think about it. And KEEP PRAYING!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 Thanks Lil Red! Pray I will! Pray, pray, pray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 WOW!!!! GREAT JOB CARRIE!!!!!! YOU ARE amesome!!!! WAY TO STICK UP FOR OUR UNBORN CHILDREN!!!! I think you maybe give them a day or two to think about what you've said. You don't want to be on their backs about it all the time.....give it some time to sink in and for them to think about it. And KEEP PRAYING!!!!! ditto. Great Job! God will bless you and them for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 carrie rocks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 Thanks guys! I've got the most supportive phamily ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 THe kitten idea was wonderful. Its always appalling to me that you can't kill an animal, but you can kill a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted November 19, 2003 Author Share Posted November 19, 2003 THe kitten idea was wonderful. Its always appalling to me that you can't kill an animal, but you can kill a baby. Anna is a genius! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Friday Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Carrie, my intuition tells me that to win the other two girls over, you must first win over your Wiccan friend. In my mind, she strikes me as the "leader type" and your two friends strike me as the "sheep type." Why? Because she has arguments for her position, but the other two cop out by saying "that's just my opinion" or "I don't believe everything the Church teaches." Unwillingness to back down is the earmark of a leader, whereas wishy-washyness and weak arguments are the earmarks of followers. My guess is that if your Wiccan friend turns to the pro-life side, the other two will not be far behind. If I were you, I would concentrate on her. That said, I think you need to keep re-emphasizing that the baby in the womb is an actual human life. And you need to keep reminding her of the Wiccan Rede: "An ye harm none, do as thou wilt." I'm convinced that this can be won even while she's Wiccan. My other piece of advice: Don't harp on it. Don't talk about it every time you're with them. And don't let this wreck your friendships. If you talk about it every time you're with them, they're likely to get tired of it and either tune you out or stop beinf friends with you. And don't let this wreck your friendships, as atrocious as their support for abortion is. There is far more you can do as a friend to them than you could do if you severed ties with them. I'm not saying never talk about it, and I'm not saying back down. I'm just saying don't make it the issue of your friendship. It's crucial that the friendships survive so you can continue to dialogue about this. I think you're doing an amesome job, Carrie. God bless your efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marielapin Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Carrie, may God bless you in your efforts. I hope that if/when placed in the same situation I would be as courageous as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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