Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 1... what is music's effect on the soul? can we know this... 2...Rock and Roll = “Vehicle of anti-religion.” -BenXVI --- does anyone where this quote comes from...and the full context...(not talking about the Ratzinger Report segment on the liturgy, but just some sortof comment where this may have come from) 3rdly... As rock has no place in the liturgy according to the Holy Father, what are the implications ( ) [i]in life[/i] as the liturgy is the central focus of worship and a catholic's entire life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I dont think anything in this world ,except for sin and God have any effect on the soul.But thats just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 17 2005, 12:35 AM']I dont think anything in this world ,except for sin and God have any effect on the soul.But thats just my opinion. [right][snapback]646186[/snapback][/right] [/quote] From one aspect yeh...free will is free will......okmayeb not afect ont he sou, i should say..effect on the "spirit" ie moods desire inclinations disposition emotion thoughts relation all of which effect one's will to some degree and then as a result efect ones soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reelguy227 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 Ill agree with you on that ,it does affect mood and desire .Certain rock songs make me get pumped and others make me mad .So ya I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 17 2005, 12:41 AM']Ill agree with you on that ,it does affect mood and desire .Certain rock songs make me get pumped and others make me mad .So ya I guess. [right][snapback]646195[/snapback][/right] [/quote] BTW, i meant music in general in the first question--yeh know? like it could be anything really...i mean imagine watching Gladiator without hans zimmer in the backround.. its like half the movie gone... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Author Share Posted July 17, 2005 (edited) [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 17 2005, 12:41 AM']Ill agree with you on that ,it does affect mood and desire . [/quote] ...so music affects your desires... what i mean is... if you are somewhat formed by the desires incited by your music, or a habitually encouraged way of thinking or state of mind or diesire can be formed by music.... this ultimetely affects how you live, act and who you are it seems... does your music determine what kind of person you are, to a degree? ?? if u talk to people can u tell what kindof music they listen to--- it seems to me you really really can, just by their whole person....its like a stamp on the person almost...and i think it goes the other way around too, look at someones CD collection u learn SO soso much about the person Edited July 17, 2005 by Semperviva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 I wonder what my collection would "say" about me..... I have just about everything out there... hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted July 17, 2005 Share Posted July 17, 2005 rock's all right, it isn't always antireligion, just look at U2, some of their songs are very Christian, and Switchfoot and Seven Sorrows are totally Christian. It's allright to listen to rock at home but i know that in Mass, there's no place for it, since it's supposed to be reverent. But ppl don't always listen to the same music u hear at Mass at a party, dance, or in car w/ur friends. also, would u not wear jeans at any other time since u don't wear them to Mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Share Posted July 18, 2005 i like yer last sentence good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 I think it has to do with because of rock and roll people have forgotten real music. By real music I mean the classical stuff (and also chant), which I refer to as such because the music itself is actually more in line with life than rock or any other form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
|gnat| Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Rock & Roll has forgotten what real music is? Tell that to the Beatles. Edited July 18, 2005 by |gnat| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 dude, the Beatles are classic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Share Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='avemaria40' date='Jul 17 2005, 03:04 PM']rock's all right, it isn't always antireligion, just look at U2, some of their songs are very Christian, and Switchfoot and Seven Sorrows are totally Christian. [right][snapback]646539[/snapback][/right] [/quote] True, [i]but a song is not just "speaking" through its words...[/i] ...i dunno if its fair to say the Beatles isin't music, its just not as sophisticated music as other music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Share Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 17 2005, 10:39 PM']I think it has to do with because of rock and roll people have forgotten real music. [right][snapback]647041[/snapback][/right] [/quote] so is your point that- this is why the pope says rock is the vehicle of anti-religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jul 17 2005, 01:51 PM']I wonder what my collection would "say" about me..... I have just about everything out there... hmmmm [right][snapback]646389[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Same here. If people judged me by my music, well, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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