infinitelord1 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 i keep quoting you dang it......i dont mean to rick.......accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 i apologize...i just got this feeling you were feeling morally unacceptable for God because of your orientation. i just want you to be proud of who you are. thas all. i also thought maybe you feel like God will reject you because of your orientation too. maybe i'm confused. the only point i was trying to make...actually..i guess...that if you are gay...then COOL. i accept ya and GOD does too. no matter what that verse says. those verses are words written from our hearts and they can say anything and mean anything. they are the structure of our dreams. and God will always love you no matter what! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='rckllnknny' date='Jul 14 2005, 07:51 PM']i dont think anyone asked ya anyway...honestly. when was the last time you sat down and had a conversation with God?? did He tell you i was wrong? you dont even know. God is the one that knows. oh..and let me see... i'm trying to think of that one famous verse.. oh geesh... oh yeah....whoever shall believe in me shall not parish, but have everlasting life. i THINK thas in there somehwere... [right][snapback]643622[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it's John 3:16. Also, read the beginning of St. Paul's Letter to the Roman's, specifically Romans 1:20-2:1. The Bible is clear that regardless of what causes it, homosexuality is sinful and wrong. We ought not to be complacent and say, "well, since everyone is a sinner, it's OK, that's just the way it is." Because the cross of Christ has conquered death, we CAN overcome sin through the power of the Resurrection. It is possible to have the condition of homosexuality, but it is not an intrinsic part of the identity of a person. It's not who you are, it's what you do. All people, including people who struggle with homosexuality, are called to repent of their sins and believe in the Gospel. Faith in the Gospel is not enough for salvation, a person needs to turn away from their sins and embrace God's call to holiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 also, if you don't have a Bible, you can go here: [url="http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/index.htm"]http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/index.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 LOL. I dont have the time of day for you. All i said was "I disagree" and look what I got in return. So much for discussing things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semalsia Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 Infinitelord1, I'm not supporting a lifestyle that includes having sex with everyone that you meet. That has nothing to do with the sexual orientation. It has to do with culture and society. Ok, so gays might be more open about sex. Is that such a surprise considering that they have had to break from traditional understanding of sex anyway? In most cases those figures are either non-relative to sexual orientation (traffic accidents??) or don't have a reference to same figures about heterosexuals. Large numbers in themselfs don't impress me. And then there's this: "Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity". Sort of strange considering the large amount of christian homosexuals. I'm tired of hearing this "homosexual agenda" thing. As if gays were born with a plan in their minds to conquer the world. As in most cases, people only hear the loudmouths. And they tend to have the strongest views too. Anyways, I don't support any kind of lifestyle. People can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. What I am supporting and defending is that people don't have to give up what they are, because some others' absurd reasons. Hell, I'm defending my own life here, since I'm a lesbian. And I can tell you that being gay does not mean the same what that site of your's is suggesting it means. Most gays I know behave just like most straights I know. As if heterosexuals were all chaste. Ever watched Sex and the City? The lifestyle you are against is culture based and not related to homosexuality per se. [b]People are mixing sexual behavior and sexual orientation.[/b] By "homosexual" that site apparently (at least sometimes) refers only to male homosexuals. It's confusing since now I don't know whether women are involved in some of the figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 No man is "gay," anymore than he is a "pedophile," because evil and disordered tendencies are not essential qualities or characteristics of the human person. Moreover, disordered inclinations are to be resisted and overcome by the power of God's grace, and so no one should identify himself with these types of evil desires. Disordered inclinations of the will are a consequence of the fall of man from grace, but Jesus Christ became man in order to free all men from slavery to such things, and in the process to restore mankind to communion with God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) jas...i HAVE changed my anger towards others. and i do need to look at that. thank you for showing me respectfully. but theres also things in my heart ive always believed in & when i sought out God i questioned them. but when he called me home i knew ive always known them. the answers are in your heart. catholic or protestant. to me theyre both right. and interpreting the bible how you want to. everyone does. its a mirror...to catch your reflection...it speaks to your heart but only if yove reached past your fears through hope and faith. and each time interpretations will bring on new (and wonderful) meanings until you realize the bible speaks of a glorious language in always and of all ways. i promise. God bless... Edited July 14, 2005 by rckllnknny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 I re-posted this because it immedeiately got lost at the end of the other page. Let's stick to topic and use PM or e-mail to whine and apologize. Nobody addressed my point. Genetic 'tendency' is not the neccesary determination of future behavior. Track's scientific article gave good evidence to both 'genetic' and 'environment' as a complex cause. Small minded people choose either for their 'political' stance. An honest analysis shows that their isn't one specific cause. Genetic tendency may be factual, but that isn't the end of the story. It's shown that environment has a tremendous effect on how one copes with a tendency. Only a small circle of behaviorists profess a strict 'genetic' or instinctual behavior. We are not small willed animals. We can direct our will and choose our actions, even over our natural instinct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Jul 14 2005, 06:17 PM']it's John 3:16. Also, read the beginning of St. Paul's Letter to the Roman's, specifically Romans 1:20-2:1. The Bible is clear that regardless of what causes it, homosexuality is sinful and wrong. We ought not to be complacent and say, "well, since everyone is a sinner, it's OK, that's just the way it is." Because the cross of Christ has conquered death, we CAN overcome sin through the power of the Resurrection. It is possible to have the condition of homosexuality, but it is not an intrinsic part of the identity of a person. It's not who you are, it's what you do. All people, including people who struggle with homosexuality, are called to repent of their sins and believe in the Gospel. Faith in the Gospel is not enough for salvation, a person needs to turn away from their sins and embrace God's call to holiness. [right][snapback]643670[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i agree with you completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='rckllnknny' date='Jul 14 2005, 06:25 PM']jas...i HAVE changed my anger towards others. and i do need to look at that. thank you for showing me respectfully. but theres also things in my heart ive always believed in & when i sought out God i questioned them. but when he called me home i knew ive always known them. the answers are in your heart. catholic or protestant. to me theyre both right. and interpreting the bible how you want to. everyone does. its a mirror...to catch your reflection...it speaks to your heart but only if yove reached past your fears through hope and faith. and each time interpretations will bring on new (and wonderful) meanings until you realize the bible speaks of a glorious language in always and of all ways. i promise. God bless... [right][snapback]643685[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You have deep insights, but some of the things you say will and do rub people the wrong way. I understand that scripture will speak to you in a way you can understand, but that does not mean that every persons interpretation is as good as another. Jesus came with one message, and he meant that message in the way he told it. The reason for so much disunity among Christians is because everyone interprets scripture on their own, and then everyone has different ideas of what is right and wrong according to Jesus. The word of God is universal, and speaks a glorious language, but its always the same message, not a matter of personal interpretation, or based on how you feel that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Jul 14 2005, 06:22 PM']Infinitelord1, I'm not supporting a lifestyle that includes having sex with everyone that you meet. That has nothing to do with the sexual orientation. It has to do with culture and society. Ok, so gays might be more open about sex. Is that such a surprise considering that they have had to break from traditional understanding of sex anyway? In most cases those figures are either non-relative to sexual orientation (traffic accidents??) or don't have a reference to same figures about heterosexuals. Large numbers in themselfs don't impress me. And then there's this: "Part of the homosexual agenda is to turn people from Christianity". Sort of strange considering the large amount of christian homosexuals. I'm tired of hearing this "homosexual agenda" thing. As if gays were born with a plan in their minds to conquer the world. As in most cases, people only hear the loudmouths. And they tend to have the strongest views too. Anyways, I don't support any kind of lifestyle. People can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt others. What I am supporting and defending is that people don't have to give up what they are, because some others' absurd reasons. Hell, I'm defending my own life here, since I'm a lesbian. And I can tell you that being gay does not mean the same what that site of your's is suggesting it means. Most gays I know behave just like most straights I know. As if heterosexuals were all chaste. Ever watched Sex and the City? The lifestyle you are against is culture based and not related to homosexuality per se. [b]People are mixing sexual behavior and sexual orientation.[/b] By "homosexual" that site apparently (at least sometimes) refers only to male homosexuals. It's confusing since now I don't know whether women are involved in some of the figures. [right][snapback]643680[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Semalsia, I understand your position in all of this and it is great that you have opened up. However, please do not be offended with what i am about to say...........you are a classic example, just as i was, of a non-believer of god. This may something to do with your orientation it may not. But you certainly dont live your life like there is a god since you are gay. And because i didnt want to be gay.........i chose to seek out a god and be open to the possibility of his existence. The more and more i learn the more my faith grows and the less this homosexual issue eats away at me. The more i strive to walk in christs path the more i notice a change in myself.......the less homosexual urges i get. I never onced denied that a gay couple love each other.......i firmly believe that there are many gay couples that love each other all over the earth. Its there sexual orientation that makes it wrong. It the relationship as a whole was not intended by god.......but this means nothing to you because you have no faith in god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rckllnknny Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 (edited) photo. except..your last sentence. i believe..faith alone, by grace, is the only way you will ever fall away from sin and lead you to Gods glorious good works. fidei..LOL..i understand. but it was the topic at hand that was relative. i already KNOW that you disagree. Edited July 14, 2005 by rckllnknny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='rckllnknny' date='Jul 14 2005, 06:34 PM']photo. except..your last sentence. i believe..faith alone, by grace, is the only way you will ever fall away from sin and lead you to Gods glorious good works. fidei..LOL..i understand. but it was the topic at hand that was relative. i already KNOW that you disagree. [right][snapback]643700[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then please, do yourself a favor, and think before you decide to start with your angry sounding responses. All I said was that I disagreed, and then you blew up at me.. over nothing. Think first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='rckllnknny' date='Jul 14 2005, 06:25 PM']... catholic or protestant. to me theyre both right. and interpreting the bible how you want to. everyone does. its a mirror...to catch your reflection...it speaks to your heart but only if yove reached past your fears through hope and faith. and each time interpretations will bring on new (and wonderful) meanings until you realize the bible speaks of a glorious language in always and of all ways. i promise. God bless... [right][snapback]643685[/snapback][/right] [/quote] rck, The Bible isn't a mirror, and I don't accept that we can all interpret it the way we want. The Bible is really an open window. If we see our reflection, it's because we're looking at it, not through it. Prot's and Cath's both have some things right, but when we disagree, it is most likely only one is right. That's why it's usually best to work from what we agree on, and not about what we disagree about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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