Quietfire Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 [quote name='mulls' date='Jul 11 2005, 12:25 AM']since I am a procrastinator by nature, during school I would always wait until Sunday night to do my homework for Monday. and because of that i would always be anxious all Sunday long because I knew I had stuff hanging over my head. to remedy this I tried to follow a friend's lead and implement a full 24 hour sabbath, starting Saturday night around 8 or so. This way I would relax, have leisure time, and be able to focus on the Lord for a full 24 hours, and wouldn't allow myself to worry about anything else until the 'sabbath' was over, 8pm Sunday night. I'm not disciplined so this didn't really have the total desired affect, but it did help somewhat, and I have friends who it works great for. Maybe this helps. [right][snapback]639073[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sounds nice but it doesnt end 8 pm. Maybe thats why it didnt really work for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 interesting...so do households live in apartments together and share expenses, or is it just a group of people who live on the same floor? is everyone at Steubenville living in households? it sounds like a Catholic parallel universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Oik' date='Jul 12 2005, 01:05 AM']I'd like to know where else this happens. When I inquired about the practice, I was told that is was an adaptation of a common practice among appalacion (sp!) protestants. Now, this certainly is problematic. It is akin to "healing" Mass where healing prayers are offered to those suffering "emotional" or "spitiual" problems. In this Masses, the real Sacrament of healing, the Sacrament of Confession/Penance, is completely ignored. Instead, it is substituted with prayers and the use of holy oil anoitings. It is also a quasi-sacramental fabrication. Many catholics throughout the US have these "healing" Masses. Does that make it right? There is something very questionable about having a psuedo-representation of the Mass. It just promulgates that attitude of the Mass as abanquet (the Mass is the Sacrifice). It also perpetuates poor theological formation by placing the emphasis of theologies on the wrong things (for instance, the Lords Prayer as a communal expression, not a prayer, the altar being refered to as a table and not what is it, an altar, the lose of the Sanctuary which has now been reduced to just the altar, ect, ect.) The Church has so many beautiful devoations, why create one (or use ione that has it's roots in protestant practice?) [b]It is also beyond me why anyone would partake in a "lord's day" celebration at a Catholic University when Mass is available several time a day, seven days a week. You've got the real thing, why farce it?[/b] The Lord's Day is a major reason why I won't join a household at Steubenville. [right][snapback]640546[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You cannot compare it to a healing mass...You heard it was Appalchian protestant practise...it may be... Hmmmm, sounds a little strange. However, even it was Protestant I don't see anything wrong with adapting or seeing an idea and then making it Catholic all around- thats what tradition and Catholic culture is, it comes from non-Catholic even pagan culture being restored in Christ to the fullness of truth---Lords Day is a tradition which does not perpetuate poor theological formation as you claim. I grew up doing this every Saturday evening in my family. We would dress up, not [i]as[/i] nicely as for Mass, but nice, my sister and I used to set a table place for Jesus at the table, Dad would read chapter one of John's Gospel and lead other psalm prayers which we reponded to, which is a totally Catholic thing and seems way more jewish in its format than Protestant. We in no way saw it as a pseudo-Mass, ersatz liturgy, etc etc-No...it was family communal prayer in preperation for the Lord's Day...it is in no way replacing the Mass. Your questions seems to be asking why pray outside of Mass at all, since Lord day is only meant to increase your disposition towards the liturgy the next morning...it in no way replaces the mass but only helps prepare your heart for the real thing......where we pray ......"we look for the day when we will dwell with you.....we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ" ps-we always understood this was NOT mass, not the eucharist, but breaking bread together is a symbol of that communion, is all... Edited July 12, 2005 by Semperviva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 [quote name='Oik' date='Jul 12 2005, 03:05 AM']I'd like to know where else this happens. When I inquired about the practice, I was told that is was an adaptation of a common practice among appalacion (sp!) protestants. Now, this certainly is problematic. It is akin to "healing" Mass where healing prayers are offered to those suffering "emotional" or "spitiual" problems. In this Masses, the real Sacrament of healing, the Sacrament of Confession/Penance, is completely ignored. Instead, it is substituted with prayers and the use of holy oil anoitings. It is also a quasi-sacramental fabrication. Many catholics throughout the US have these "healing" Masses. Does that make it right? There is something very questionable about having a psuedo-representation of the Mass. It just promulgates that attitude of the Mass as abanquet (the Mass is the Sacrifice). It also perpetuates poor theological formation by placing the emphasis of theologies on the wrong things (for instance, the Lords Prayer as a communal expression, not a prayer, the altar being refered to as a table and not what is it, an altar, the lose of the Sanctuary which has now been reduced to just the altar, ect, ect.) The Church has so many beautiful devoations, why create one (or use ione that has it's roots in protestant practice?) It is also beyond me why anyone would partake in a "lord's day" celebration at a Catholic University when Mass is available several time a day, seven days a week. You've got the real thing, why farce it? The Lord's Day is a major reason why I won't join a household at Steubenville. [right][snapback]640546[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, it is an adaptation of the Jewish meal liturgies (the caburrah (sp?) or friendship meal, which is less formal than the Seder meal used at Passover and on other major feasts). Just as the caburrah was not a replacement for Temple sacrifice or even Synagogue worship, the Lord's Day celebration is not a replacement for, much less an imitation of, Mass. It is a preparation for Mass, the opening of the Lord's Day (which is why they are held on Saturday evening), a time for community, and a time for prayer. The main part of it is a Liturgy of the Word, which is a perfectly allowable (even encouraged) para-liturgical rite for meditation on Scripture outside of Mass. The breaking of the bread and passing of the wine is in imitation of the Jewish celebration. No one is going to say that it is Mass, or that you should go to Lord's Day instead of Mass. Since it in no way portends to be a sacrament, it is a para-liturgical event, not "quasi-sacramental." There is nothing liturgically or theologically wrong with the Lord's Day celebrations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 are you allowed to drink wine at Steubenville Lord's Day celebrations if you're underage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Jul 12 2005, 02:13 PM']are you allowed to drink wine at Steubenville Lord's Day celebrations if you're underage? [right][snapback]640876[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I'm not sure if there has ever been anything officially said either way, but yes. Though I want to point out that I don't think you can really see them as an opportunity for underage drinking. For the most part, no one would have more than a swallow or two. With the possible exception of groups who were already known for their drinking (underage or otherwise), I don't recall ever hearing of anyone having enough to get even remotely buzzed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 In my 4 years there, nobody that I'd ever talked to ever gave any sort of indication that they or anyone else thought or was tempted to think that this was a sacrament, that it took away from the Mass, that it replaced the Mass or fulfulled your sunday obligations. Many people there would attend saturday morning Mass, go to Lord's Day later on saturday and go to Mass on sunday. In my experience, it improved the experience of the Mass, simply because I had already heard the readings, and my household had collectively reflected on it. I felt that on sunday, my retention of the readings was much better and, moreso, my understanding of it was much better. [i]"To the attack, therefore to the offensive! Hail Holy Queen!"[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scardella Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Jul 12 2005, 10:42 AM']interesting...so do households live in apartments together and share expenses, or is it just a group of people who live on the same floor? is everyone at Steubenville living in households? it sounds like a Catholic parallel universe. [right][snapback]640783[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oftentimes, a household will have a house or apartment off campus, but only seniors usually are allowed to live off campus. Most household members will live on a particular wing of a dorm. Their "common room" (a lounge on the wing) will usually have household-specific decorations or memorabilia, eg. a household banner, perhaps a mural, pictures of members, etc. along with devional stuff, eg. a household crucifix, statue of the patron saint, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 [quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 12 2005, 10:03 AM']Sounds nice but it doesnt end 8 pm. Maybe thats why it didnt really work for you. [right][snapback]640675[/snapback][/right] [/quote] that's why i started it Saturday night at 8 pm....to have a full 24 hours. Then at 8pm on Sunday night I could go back to working and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 [quote name='mulls' date='Jul 13 2005, 02:08 PM']that's why i started it Saturday night at 8 pm....to have a full 24 hours. Then at 8pm on Sunday night I could go back to working and such. [right][snapback]642099[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Mulls, a day is from midnight to midnight. Not 8 pm to 8 pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 Quietfire, the point of it was to make a sacrificial adjustment of my (and the natural) schedule to honor the Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peach_cube Posted July 13, 2005 Share Posted July 13, 2005 I think it's a good idea mulls. It's definitely a step in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 [quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 13 2005, 03:22 PM']Mulls, a day is from midnight to midnight. Not 8 pm to 8 pm. [right][snapback]642187[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then why do Saturday evening masses fulfill Sunday obligations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted July 14, 2005 Share Posted July 14, 2005 haha yes! Catholic points for me! Thanks Pal! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 14, 2005 Author Share Posted July 14, 2005 As I understand it, it is sundown to sundown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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