ironmonk Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 When I worked in a level 2 day program for juvenile delinquents ages 13-18, many of them had "ADD" & "ADHD". I worked with about sixty to a hundred kids. None of these kids were ever spanked, none of them were ever given any discipline, they were allowed to go wild, and they did. From my studies and observations in the day program, I do not believe that ADD & ADHD has anything to do with chemical problems. I believe the majority of the problem stems from a combination of watching to much TV growing up and lack of discipline. Disorders are developed, they are not grown. Sometimes when people are "diagnosed" with either ADD or ADHD, there is nothing wrong with the kid. The kid could be bored with the topics because school has been dumbed down. Many kids who have higher IQ's than the rest of their classes are going to be bored and act out unless they are challenged. ADD & ADHD was never a problem 50 years ago... Hardly anyone had TV's, people had to do their work, school was challenging, and people prayed. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted July 10, 2005 Author Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 10 2005, 03:26 PM']This issue really eats at me. I've got experience with kids who are diagnosed with all sorts of things. I've gotten alot of kids in, especially boys, who have been diagnosed with ADD or ADHD and frankly, most of them just don't have it! But try telling that to a parent who is at their wits end with their hyper (but healthy) child. So many parents insist that their children need medication, even when you tell them that its unnecessary. Lots of parents walk out and will go to someone else who has no problem recommending medication without a second thought. And did we really need an article to tell us that males and females think and learn differently? [right][snapback]638454[/snapback][/right] [/quote] It really gets to me too. In the day program, there were kids who would spend 10-20 minutes with a psychologist... the psychologist would then call a psychiatrist to prescribe Ridlin... people are too quick to push pills. Kids need to be challenged, not have their minds numbed. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 10 2005, 03:39 PM']It really gets to me too. In the day program, there were kids who would spend 10-20 minutes with a psychologist... the psychologist would then call a psychiatrist to prescribe Ridlin... people are too quick to push pills. Kids need to be challenged, not have their minds numbed. God Bless, ironmonk [right][snapback]638463[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ritalin just masks the real issues, rather than anyone making an effort to find out why the kid is acting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 10 2005, 01:43 PM']Ritalin just masks the real issues, rather than anyone making an effort to find out why the kid is acting out. [right][snapback]638466[/snapback][/right] [/quote] While I am definitely not a fan of Ritalin, (and Carrie you're dead on right) I think its far less damaging than dolling out the psychotropic drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 I agree. Seriously, all meds should be handed out sparingly and not so freely. This is a completely separate issue, but alot of it also has to do with pharmaceutical companies and the "rewards" they give doctors when they prescribe at high levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 10 2005, 01:08 PM']One of the examples given was when boys and girls are playing a game and something unexpected happens. If boys are playing baseball and the ball gets stuck in a tree, boys will gather up, discuss the situation and create a new rule for the game. Then the game continues on. Girls in the same situation will be more likely to simply choose another game to play. The reason being is that females will generally be more concerned about the group than about the resolution. [right][snapback]638443[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Why not just climb up the tree and get the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 10 2005, 02:17 PM']Let me rephrase that ,all this article points out is how girls can learn so much more better than boys can ,I mean come on ,the whole article points out how girls can do everything better than guys in each category . I get it ,guys are stupid and girls are superior. [right][snapback]638450[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No we are just different, which is how it is supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 10 2005, 02:39 PM']It really gets to me too. In the day program, there were kids who would spend 10-20 minutes with a psychologist... the psychologist would then call a psychiatrist to prescribe Ridlin... people are too quick to push pills. Kids need to be challenged, not have their minds numbed. God Bless, ironmonk [right][snapback]638463[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Kids also need room to run and play and just be kids in a world of their own enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jul 10 2005, 04:09 PM']Why not just climb up the tree and get the ball? [right][snapback]638496[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Good question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted July 10, 2005 Share Posted July 10, 2005 [quote name='Raphael' date='Jul 9 2005, 06:49 PM']Gosh darn noodles! [right][snapback]637657[/snapback][/right] [/quote] .........yah......probly good idea to take into account the differnences when teaching....cuz the different way of thinking starts in the womb....when the male baby gets his maleness the rush of testoserone ruptures connections between the left and right parts of the brain....and the whole reasoning processes are differnet..not bad, just diffrent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jul 10 2005, 02:09 PM']Why not just climb up the tree and get the ball? [right][snapback]638496[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That would be my first response! Of course it also goes to one of the differences pointed out in another thread: "Men solve problems". My whole take on this is: drugs should only be prescribed if some blood test says there is some chemical imbalance that warrants it. Simple gender differences don't warrant it. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist he-man, but there seems to be an attempt to castrate males by refusing to recognizing male attributes and male needs and turn all males into "girlie-men". I don't know if it's part of a greater lesbo-feminazi agenda (notice that the majority of those pushing the single state of life are females who seem to miss the fact that it's easier for them because their hormones are different than male hormones and erupt at a different time) or just a way of drumming up business to make the therapists rich, but there does seem to be a "war against boys". In fact, there once was a book written by Christina Hoff Summers by that very title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted July 11, 2005 Author Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Jul 10 2005, 09:23 PM']That would be my first response! Of course it also goes to one of the differences pointed out in another thread: "Men solve problems". My whole take on this is: drugs should only be prescribed if some blood test says there is some chemical imbalance that warrants it. Simple gender differences don't warrant it. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist he-man, but there seems to be an attempt to castrate males by refusing to recognizing male attributes and male needs and turn all males into "girlie-men". I don't know if it's part of a greater lesbo-feminazi agenda (notice that the majority of those pushing the single state of life are females who seem to miss the fact that it's easier for them because their hormones are different than male hormones and erupt at a different time) or just a way of drumming up business to make the therapists rich, but there does seem to be a "war against boys". In fact, there once was a book written by Christina Hoff Summers by that very title. [right][snapback]638743[/snapback][/right] [/quote] "Chemical Imbalance" is a theory on thin ice. Emotions trigger chemicals to be produced, and chemicals artificially introduced can cause emotions to be produced. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 10 2005, 02:27 PM']Kids also need room to run and play and just be kids in a world of their own enjoyment. [right][snapback]638516[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Amen! I love to eavesdrop on my children's imaginative play. I'm pretty sure I could chuck all of my son's toys and give him a box filled with paper cups, paper plates, several rolls of tape, a stapler, some aluminum foil and straws and he'd be set for a loooooong time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 11, 2005 Share Posted July 11, 2005 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Jul 10 2005, 07:23 PM']Of course it also goes to one of the differences pointed out in another thread: "Men solve problems".[right][snapback]638743[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Hey, [i]I[/i] was the first one to suggest it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ofpheritup Posted July 12, 2005 Share Posted July 12, 2005 I didn't read thru all the responses. But you know that won't stop me from having an opinion. My roommate has ADD, it is real. It is a pain in the neck, it is frustrating and at times difficult to live with. I am a substitute teacher. I didn't need a study to tell me boys and girls learn differently. I figured that out my first year of teaching. So many of the children I have met DO NOT NEED TO BE ON MEDICATION. Children aren't allowed to be children anymore. If a little boy gets bored and wiggles in class. BOOM HERE THEY COME WITH THE DRUGS.. STUPID STUPID STUPID... There are times where medication is honestly needed. But I have seen too many times where medication is a "knee jerk" response because the parents don't have the patience to discipline or the teacher doesn't want to be bothered. A lot of the behavior problems I see are just that BEHAVIOR problems. There have been children I have been warned would be problems. I never had a problem with them because they knew I was in charge. It is perspective and what effort you are willing to put forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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