Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 (edited) i just got my 1962 daily missal in the mail... it is a bit confusing. why are their five book marks? can anyone tell me what i will need to know from the book to attend mass? i know we have some people who go to Tridentine mass, i need help!!!! Edited June 30, 2005 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesChristi Posted June 30, 2005 Share Posted June 30, 2005 Well, I usually keep one ribbon in the section full of devotional prayers which I say before and after Mass. Another ribbon marks the Ordinary of the Mass, which contains the unvariable parts of the Mass (Prayers at the foot of the Altar, Kyrie, Gloria, Credo, the Canon...etc). Another ribbon goes in the Proper of the Season. This is where you'll find the parts of the Mass specific to a particular Sunday of the year (Introit, Collect, Epistle, Gospel, Offertory, Secret...etc). Another ribbon goes in the Proper of Saints, which is like the Proper of the Season, except this section just deals with saints' feastdays (like Ss. Peter and Paul yesterday). You might want to put the other two remaining ribbons in the section which contains the various Prefaces and the section which contains the Commons (Common of several martyrs, common of confessors, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 Here is how I use the ribbons. 1. Mass of the Catechumens (Prayers at the Foot) 2. Weekday Propers 3. Sunday Propers 4. Mass of the Faithful (Canon) 5. Saints Propers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 what is a catechumen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 and what is the difference between a mass of the faithful and the mass of the catechumens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 In the early Church, only fully initiated Catholics were allowed to be present for the Eucharist. It was a very great mystery, not something that was bandied about lightly, particularly for reasons of persecution (pagans accused the Church of being cannibalistic). And so Catechumens (people preparing to enter the Church) were only allowed for the first part of the Mass, which entailed the reading of the memoirs of the Apostles. They were dismissed before the rite of the Holy Eucharist. The tridentine Mass kept this division, although the Church didn't actually kick everyone who wasn't Catholic out of the Church when the Eucharist came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 30 2005, 09:26 PM']and what is the difference between a mass of the faithful and the mass of the catechumens? [right][snapback]628986[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Easiest way to explain it..... Mass of Catechumens = Liturgy of the Word Mass of the Faithful = Liturgy of the Eucharist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 any tips for me if i go to a tridentine mass for the first time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jun 30 2005, 06:38 PM'][. . .] They were dismissed before the rite of the Holy Eucharist. The tridentine Mass kept this division, although the Church didn't actually kick everyone who wasn't Catholic out of the Church when the Eucharist came. [right][snapback]628991[/snapback][/right] [/quote] When I converted to Catholicism back in the late 1980s the parish I was at had all the members of RCIA leave at the end of the Liturgy of the Word. Sadly, the parish made no distinction between "candidates" and "catechumens." Thus, it basically treated those who had been baptized already in other Churches and ecclesial communities as if they weren't Christians. Even worse the RCIA director insisted that this one lady who was converting to Catholicism from Eastern Orthodoxy and who had already received the sacrament of chrismation leave as well, even though technically speaking, she should have simply been received into the Church right away and not even have had to go through RCIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 so if you are orthodox how does it work to convert to catholicism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 The practice makes no sense today, even for Catechumens. There is no mystery behind the Mass today. It is celebrated every day in every city, and anyone can attend. I suppose there could be a symbolic meaning, but if I had my druthers, it would not be practiced. Better just to have the Catechumens sit together, so that everyone knows that they are not yet prepared to receive Holy Communion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted July 1, 2005 Author Share Posted July 1, 2005 i think that it is a good idea to kick them out... don't take any chances with the body blood soul and divinity of the lord. ya know what im sayin'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 1, 2005 Share Posted July 1, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 30 2005, 07:32 PM']so if you are orthodox how does it work to convert to catholicism? [right][snapback]629063[/snapback][/right] [/quote] An Eastern Orthodox person should just be received into the Church, and preferably into a rite that is related to the one in which they were raised. Normally they should not enter the Latin Rite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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