doctrine on mortal sin

[Cam42]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jun 29 2005, 11:36 AM']Yes, did have a look at it... and if I understand correctly, you need to know that it is a sin, it is in opposition of God's law and also includes consent.

But nothing to consequence... IE: you do not need to know that this sin will (or may) dam you to hell forever in order for the sin to be mortal.  Hence, the ultimate consequence (to the sinner) towards mortal sin does not need to be known.

Thus, it would be a reasonable assumption that some sinners have placed themselves in a state of fallen grace wihout realilzing it?  Knowing that they have done grave sin, but not knowing they are dammed for their actions and choice and consent thereof...
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You misunderstand.
[quote name='CCC #1859']Mortal sin requires full knowledge and complete consent. It presupposes knowledge of the sinful character of the act, of its opposition to God's law. It also implies a consent sufficiently deliberate to be a personal choice. Feigned ignorance and hardness of heart do not diminish, but rather increase, the voluntary character of a sin.[/quote]

You do need to know that the sin is grave. It assumes that you know what you are doing, when you do it. If not, then sin may be imputed. It is not reasonable to assume that some sinners have placed themselves in such situation.

[jezic]

so sanctifying grace would be the state that Adam and Eve lived in before the fall, correct?

It basically allows for communion with God. (i am probably wrong there)

does your soul "die" after a mortal sin?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='jezic' date='Jun 29 2005, 08:45 AM']so sanctifying grace would be the state that Adam and Eve lived in before the fall, correct?

It basically allows for communion with God. (i am probably wrong there)
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Yes, it is the likeness to God that Adam deformed by his original sin.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='jezic' date='Jun 29 2005, 08:45 AM']does your soul "die" after a mortal sin?
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Your soul "dies" spiritually after committing a mortal sin, because you are no longer in communion with God. But your soul doesn't die if by that you mean to say that your soul is annihilated.

[Cam42]

[quote]Of course many of the dogmas and doctrines contained in the Catechism are infallible, but they are infallible because of prior definitions or declarations by either the Pope alone, or the Pope and the whole Episcopal College.[/quote]

And what do you think the Catechism is? The Catechism is a declaration of the Pope and the whole Episcopal College. John Paul II made that statement.

And as Eremite quotes:
[quote name='Pope Benedict XVI'] The individual doctrine which the Catechism presents receive no other weight than that which they already possess. The weight of the Catechism itself lies in the whole. Since it transmits what the Church teaches, whoever rejects it as a whole separates himself beyond question from the faith and teaching of the Church.[/quote]

The Catechism is part of the infallible Magisterium, because the teachings contained within are infallible. You can't separate the two.

[jezic]

so then to be restored to the state of sanctfying grace, God would have to grant that (usually through direct Confession to a priest) right?

[Guest Eremite]

As Benedict XVI explains, cited above:

[quote]The individual doctrine which the Catechism presents receive no other weight than that which they already possess.[/quote]

The Catechism gives no greater weight to a doctrine than it already possesses. If something is not taught infallibly, then the Catechism does not make it infallible. If it is taught infallibly, then it is infallible, but not because the Catechism teaches it, but because it already possesses that weight.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Cam42' date='Jun 29 2005, 08:53 AM']And what do you think the Catechism is?  The Catechism is a declaration of the Pope and the whole Episcopal College.  John Paul II made that statement.
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It is an authentic or authoritative act of the Magisterium, but it is not in itself an infallible definition or an infallible declaration of either the Pope or the Pope and Episcopal College.

As I have said, it does contain infallible dogmas and doctrines, but they were infallibly defined or declared prior to the issuance of the Catechism.

[jezic]

[quote name='Cam42' date='Jun 29 2005, 10:53 AM']And what do you think the Catechism is?  The Catechism is a declaration of the Pope and the whole Episcopal College.  John Paul II made that statement.

And as Eremite quotes:
[quote name='Pope Benedict XVI'] The individual doctrine which the Catechism presents receive no other weight than that which they already possess. The weight of the Catechism itself lies in the whole. Since it transmits what the Church teaches, whoever rejects it as a whole separates himself beyond question from the faith and teaching of the Church.[/quote]

The Catechism is part of the infallible Magisterium, because the teachings contained within are infallible. You can't separate the two.
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if you would like to debate the merits of the catechism could you start a new thread?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='jezic' date='Jun 29 2005, 08:56 AM']so then to be restored to the state of sanctfying grace, God would have to grant that (usually through direct Confession to a priest) right?
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Restoration to a state of deifying grace requires individual auricular confession to, and absolution by, a priest.

The Sacrament of Penance is the ordinary means for restoring a man to grace.

[jezic]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jun 29 2005, 10:59 AM']Restoration to a state of deifying grace requires individual auricular confession to, and absolution by, a priest.

The Sacrament of Penance is the ordinary means for restoring a man to grace.
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what does auricular mean?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='jezic' date='Jun 29 2005, 09:04 AM']what does auricular mean?
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It has to be heard by the priest.

[jezic]

then, if sanctifying grace is lost in one mortal sin, what happens after two? (or more)

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='jezic' date='Jun 29 2005, 09:13 AM']then, if sanctifying grace is lost in one mortal sin, what happens after two? (or more)
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Well, you can't lose what you don't have, but you can compound your reprobate status I suppose.

[jezic]

hmm, unless one was to guess that there are additional consequences of sin other than the loss of sanctifying grace.

While that loss is a major one and of the highest necessity to regain, there would be other consequencesas well. (not necessarily through God end of things. I mean like the soul's attachment to the sin grew, or its objections lessened. Thus a consequence of sin because it is harder to not commit the sin.)However, is it not reasonable to assume that there are other punishments from God?