infinitelord1 Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Me and a friend were talking the other day and he asked me why God would make us lust for sex. He felt that if u dont masturbate eventually u are gonna lust and feel the need to release frustration through masturbation. Which i think is a good thought but i know its not right. He also felt that in some sense God was somewhat tempting us into masturbation because of that feeling that u need to release ur sexual frustration (through masturbation or of course, sex). Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 Gday, I guess I'm the 1st to tackle this. I'm not a n00b to PM. My old account was D0RK4JP2, but since his Holiness' passing, well....it didn't seem right. To lay it out what the Church teaches on Masturbation is this from the Roman Catechism: [url="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2352.htm"]Click Here[/url] Some of the key words used in there are to convey the specific spiritual reality of an impurity SUCH AS masturbation. There are many types of impurities, this is one of them. All impurities are of their nature 'gravely disorered.' Pray for your friend, ask the Holy Spirit to give you the Gift of counsel to show him the Truth. For me, here's the error in his argument, have no doubt that your creativity given to you by God will help grow this argument in the light of the Church's teaching. 1stly, if God tempts, then God pushes one to sin. God is all good, sin is not. God cannot sin, and God does not and cannot sin. We are created in His image - God created us to be perfect like Him! God then, creating us like Him, made us not to sin, so neither should we sin because it is not of God, and neither could God push someone to sin because sin is the opposite of the infinite Good that God is. It would be the same as God making a triangular square, which is of course, a contradiction of two laws, one of the law of 'triangularness' and one of 'squareness'. That's the big logical error, that I see, in your friends statement in the light of Christian teaching. Pray above all for your friends healing from the great evils of impurities. For with purity we 'shall see God', so what, therefore, without it? TOTAL BLINDNESS TO GOD. If you want to be holy, practise purity and all other virtues will grow 'St John Bosco' [paraphrased]. JMJ, Nikolai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 So, to sum up (and paraphrase) "Maturbation causes blindness." Wow... all that stuff I learned as a kid was true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 homeschoolmom, Lol, could you please explain your joke because I don't quite get it... JMJ, Nikolai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 [quote name='Nikolai' date='Jun 25 2005, 05:30 PM']homeschoolmom, Lol, could you please explain your joke because I don't quite get it... JMJ, Nikolai [right][snapback]623441[/snapback][/right] [/quote] They used to tell kids that masturbating would make them go blind.. You had said that impurity causes blindness to God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted June 25, 2005 Share Posted June 25, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jun 25 2005, 05:44 AM']Me and a friend were talking the other day and he asked me why God would make us lust for sex. He felt that if u dont masturbate eventually u are gonna lust and feel the need to release frustration through masturbation. Which i think is a good thought but i know its not right. He also felt that in some sense God was somewhat tempting us into masturbation because of that feeling that u need to release ur sexual frustration (through masturbation or of course, sex). Any thoughts? [right][snapback]622746[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Masturbating makes you feel even more lust. It's almost like an addiction that's very hard to break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Masterbation is an addiction, and is just a step towards sexual addiction. The body has a built in release valve that gives vent to any pent up sexual tension if it is not released by sex and masterbation. By masterbating, you are hindering this process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 [quote name='thedude' date='Jun 25 2005, 05:44 PM']Masturbating makes you feel even more lust. It's almost like an addiction that's very hard to break. [right][snapback]623447[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I can testify to that. Its a terrible addiction that ruins your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 is it true that some people have larger sex drives and that it would be tougher for these people to abstain ?? not that it makes any less wrong........ jus wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnanc Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 agreed. it is a terrible addiction. Though one can stop with time and prayer, I know that the lasting negative effects will be with me in at least some way for the rest of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 [quote name='Mikhail' date='Jun 26 2005, 11:02 AM']Masterbation is an addiction, and is just a step towards sexual addiction. The body has a built in release valve that gives vent to any pent up sexual tension if it is not released by sex and masterbation. By masterbating, you are hindering this process. [right][snapback]623479[/snapback][/right] [/quote] yep, i agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Posted June 26, 2005 Share Posted June 26, 2005 Yes it's true that some of us have stronger sex drives than others. It's also true that some people find it easier to steal than others, others find they have more pride than others, while still others are more inclined to be lazy. Everyone is different and everyone has different weakness. It's how we deal with these differences that determines what kind of person we are. Also, we are not alone, we have help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 Through the eyes of someone who has done it in the past ... What everyone has said is it true it causes for more lust and eventually sex out of marriage. now I belive everybody has the same sex drive its just whether or not your going to act on it or not that where faith in God comes in. now yes we are humans it says in the bible to be fruitile but in marrige, adam and eve were married and so on. so what Im saying masterbation is a wrongful lust and shouldnt never be acted upon. think of this, I do "your having sex with your hand" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 It's selfish, makes ppl have an even greater lust, and tears u apart from God. And I am speaking from personal experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted June 27, 2005 Share Posted June 27, 2005 sry, i just forgot something, i've heard it said that it was a mortal sin but one that is easily forgiven b/c it's hard when ur hormones are up against u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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