Cam42 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 [quote name='LittleLes' date='Jun 22 2005, 12:47 PM']RESPONSE: You've provided no evidence, only assertions without evidence. Anyone can make those. And I thought I was well "out into the light." [right][snapback]619269[/snapback][/right] [/quote] and the recoil into darkness is of legendary proportion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 [quote name='LittleLes' date='Jun 22 2005, 12:23 PM']RESPONSE: Thank you, Jezic! [right][snapback]619225[/snapback][/right] [/quote] if you knew what i meant you might not be thanking me, but you are welcome. First i would examine your idea of truth, fact, proof, and belief. And yes even though God made you intellectual he wants you to believe on faith. You can look up the verse about children. Children couldn't even fathom the questions you are asking much less explain them, yet theirs in the kingdom of Heaven. How does this not light the path for us all? This directive is further protrayed in the world of St. Therese of Lisieux. In her little way she achieved a greatness that was not ordinarily possible. Yet it was simple. How then if she is a doctor of the Church, can you go wrong by following her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jun 22 2005, 12:52 PM']For evidence, all one has to do is read through your posts in the "Divinity of Christ" thread, or any one of your closed threads. Anyway, no point in feeding the troll. [right][snapback]619279[/snapback][/right] [/quote] RESPONSE: Perhaps you'd want to read the papal and other documents I quoted as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 hey littleLes, This Jedi mind trick will NOT work on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 also, so many of you are ready to research doctrine and examine every document, that is great, but remember the faith of a mustard seed can move a mountain. If you need documents to prove what is true, then you do not believe. If you even need the Bible to "prove" God exists, then again you must ask yourself whether you believe or not. I can tell you God is real from my own life, i don't need the Bible to do that. It can explain mystery and help me understand better, but understanding doesn't pave the way to Heaven. Action does and it comes from belief. Get out of the books and get into faith, then when you don't understand something hit the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 [quote name='jezic' date='Jun 22 2005, 01:02 PM'] And yes even though God made you intellectual he wants you to believe on faith. You can look up the verse about children. Children couldn't even fathom the questions you are asking much less explain them, yet theirs in the kingdom of Heaven. [/quote] RESPONSE: 1 Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things. Unfortunately many won't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 Get out of the books and get into faith, then when you don't understand something hit the books. [/quote] RESPONSE: Looking up what I did not understand led me to my present position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 i mean about the essentials of faith. You can discuss rhetoric and grammar forever and you will be no closer to the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 22 2005, 01:06 PM']hey littleLes, This Jedi mind trick will NOT work on you [right][snapback]619302[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Why, is he a Hutt or a Toydarian? I think the latter..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 I like this statement from Benedict XVI: "In [snip] What might otherwise seem like a direct proclamation of the divine, can only be myth, whose laws of development can he discovered. It is with this basic conviction that Bultmann, with the majority of modern exegetes, read the Bible. He is certain that it cannot be the way it is depicted in the Bible, and he looks for methods to prove the way it really had to be. [font="Times"][b]To that extent there lies in modern exegesis a reduction of history into philosophy, a revision of history by means of philosophy."[/b][/font] He puts my own thoughts into words i could not have imagined myself (and makes me think of things i had not thought of yet). i was always looking for ways to explain how science by itself could not be the only tool utilised in trying to explain the bible. I am glad Ratzinger was chosen as our new pontiff... viva Papa! [i]Now back to sophisticated name-calling involving LittleLes...[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Didacus' date='Jun 22 2005, 02:31 PM']I like this statement from Benedict XVI: "In [snip]Â What might otherwise seem like a direct proclamation of the divine, can only be myth, whose laws of development can he discovered. It is with this basic conviction that Bultmann, with the majority of modern exegetes, read the Bible. He is certain that it cannot be the way it is depicted in the Bible, and he looks for methods to prove the way it really had to be. [font="Times"][b]To that extent there lies in modern exegesis a reduction of history into philosophy, a revision of history by means of philosophy."[/b][/font] [/quote] That Ratzinger quote hit the nail right on the head! (I had tried to make the point he made in an older thread). Edited June 22, 2005 by Socrates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 My thoughts precisely socrates... papa is a wise man and he has extensive skill with words to say the least. the more iread, the more I realize I know nothing and need to read more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 As we get into the "when" of scripture, may I suggest this very general timeline of events in the Old Testament to compare with the scripture. Creation and Adam 6000 BC Noah and the Flood 3000 BC Abraham 2000 BC Joseph (Egypt) 1700 BC Moses 1500 BC Conquest of Canaan 1400 BC Saul, David, Solomon 1000 BC Assyrian Invasion of Judah 700 BC Babylonian Captivity 600 BC Rebuilding of Temple 500 BC Greek occupation 300 BC Roman occupation100 BC, Dates are only approximate and have been rounded off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleLes Posted June 22, 2005 Author Share Posted June 22, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jun 22 2005, 02:37 PM']That Ratzinger quote hit the nail right on the head! (I had tried to make the point he made in an older thread). [right][snapback]619446[/snapback][/right] [/quote] RESPONSE: We're going a bit afield here. But does Ratzinger produce any evidence that Bultmann is in error? Or does Radzinger just say so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jezic Posted June 22, 2005 Share Posted June 22, 2005 again define evidence in your view. Commonly heald truth (Official Conciliar Documents/Papal Exhortations/etc.) is usually held by you to be "wrongly interpreted" or sometimes outright false. Sometimes you also insist in misreading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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