Paladin D Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Christianity was not suppost to be a religion of many beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 ah. Does God not care how you define your belief in Him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 .....I actually don't agree with Sola Scriptura. My basis is on God, and my relationship with him, and what he shows me through scripture, and the fellowship I have with other believers. Amen Undercover. I agree :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 So whichever friends make you feel the best are the proof of truth in Scripture interpretation.... interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muschi Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Hello everyone, I am new to this site but I want to address Robyn and all. I myself used to be Pentecostal. I can definately sympathize and understand where Robyn is coming from. But judging from the quick responses to her being wrong, (although well-meaning) I could see where she (or he) would be turned off. If someone came at me and told me I was wrong and I'd better straighten out so to speak, I'd look at them and wonder what gives that person the right to tell me so? I am a fairly new convert to Catholicism having only been received into the Church in March of last year. Robyn, I can only ask you to check out the history of Christianity from all aspects and naturally check out the Catholic sources as well. Have you heard that the Pope is the "anti-Christ"? I know I have! But when I read about his life and read his writings, I thought it was just too weird that for someone who is purportedly the anti-christ , he certainly seems "a bit" PRO-CHRIST!!!! This was the beginning of my own search into the history of Christianity and not "a-la-Jack Chick" style. (though I was raised in that camp too.) I'm glad I was brought up in the Pentecostal Church for the strong morals and love of Christ I learned from them. However, I also learned that Biblical interpretations varied widely as I grew older. I grew deeply disturbed by this and almost gave up Christianity all together thinking that it was only something to drive someone into the madhouse! I obviously have since learned otherwise. However, I think that your and all Protestant (NOT "PROTS"....it's grossly disrectful) questions are always valid and merit an answer, but keep in mind that once your question is answered check it out for yourself . Also, as Catholics we tend to be on the defensive since we are mostly attacked by our "non-Catholic" brethren. So please understand us too and forgive us our pettiness also. - With the love of Christ, God bless! - Muschi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robyn Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 This is becoming ridiculous. Cya :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Wow, great post Muschi, Welcome to Phatmass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Amen Undercover. I agree Unfortunately, that is exactly what sola scriptura is. (Text in quote bolded) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 (edited) Hey Muschi, welcome to the phorum. I agree on what you say, and no doubt many of us follow the same advice. However, time and time again... many of us have already validly, patiently, respectfully as best as we can through our imperfect human nature... explain on what we believe to be Thee Truth. Christ and the Apostles believed it, the Early Christians believed it (study their writings), and Christians for 1000-1500 years believed it, why shouldn't we? Basically, what I'm trying to say is... These same people (example: Robyn, Trooper4DaHolyG, etc) which we have explained (in detail) many times, providing a load of backup for our claims. Not only did we provide Scriptural references, we also provided quotes of the Early Church Fathers, historical facts, and etc... We are pretty much trying our best to remain patient, and loving as we can. But it really doesn't help when you are having someone side-stepping your questions, ignoring them, and etc. Edited November 20, 2003 by Paladin D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Excuse my poor wording, it's 1:30am right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unshackled Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Here we go two stepping again.. Prots never want to answer the questions we give them simply because that would take admitting their wrong and their faith is baseless. UnShackeled..most of us here were once Prots, we dont need to hear the falseness of their believes, were already aware of them. And on top of that, 9 times out of 10 you dont see a Prot simply stating their belief without a reference to Catholics and Hell in the same sentence. Did you take lessons to learn that two step or did your pastors teach ya? CatholicAndFanatical I was once a mindless catholic with totally biased beliefs that I knew all the answers. I was challenged by a Protestant about my beliefs and I was able to comfortably tell him that he had no idea what he was talking about. Sound familiar? Only one problem: God had other plans. Mind you it took God fifteen more years to catch my attention. Now He has my full co-operation and guides everything I do. He has yet to request that I return to Catholicism. Remember that Jesus was not a Catholic but in fact a JEW. There would be no Catholics except for the fact that the Jews rejected the teachings of Jesus. If you stop trying to categorise people by religion and start accepting that God does not look at denomination but at your heart, it is possible that some progress may be made in these debates. Until this happens nothing will change. Lots of luck and may God bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 So you went from being a mindless catholic to a mindless what? Somehow I doubt God would lead people FROM the Church He founded. Scripture says one faith, one baptism , not 32,000 and counting. Do you really think God approves? Do you really think its ok with Him that your heart is based on your own version/interpretation of His words? Or do you think that each person forms his own little church? and our relationship with God is strictly on me and my buddy thing? Do you think doctrine unimportant? Or is it ok that Unitarians, Mormons, JWs, and fundamentalists are think they are christian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I was once a mindless catholic with totally biased beliefs that I knew all the answers. I was challenged by a Protestant about my beliefs and I was able to comfortably tell him that he had no idea what he was talking about. Sound familiar? Only one problem: God had other plans. Mind you it took God fifteen more years to catch my attention. Now He has my full co-operation and guides everything I do. He has yet to request that I return to Catholicism. Remember that Jesus was not a Catholic but in fact a JEW. There would be no Catholics except for the fact that the Jews rejected the teachings of Jesus. If you stop trying to categorise people by religion and start accepting that God does not look at denomination but at your heart, it is possible that some progress may be made in these debates. Until this happens nothing will change. Lots of luck and may God bless you. From the sounds of it you are right, you were a mindless Catholic, obviously not having the full knowledge of what the Catholic Church teachs or you would still be Catholic. I was a pentecostal until I was 24 years old, I was called to be Catholic and Im full aware of prot teachings and how diverse they are. Its true that you guys build your faith in a way that makes it fit your needs, if one denomination doesnt feel right because the people in it are sour people, you go find another denomination and try that out for a while...its rediculous. In my nick-of-the-woods we have something called a CowBoy Church.. come on thats crazy, im in indiana for pete's sake..lol Its blasphemy, plain and simple..all man made. You should thank the Catholic Church for giving you the Bible instead of always wanting to discount our beliefs. Muschi, welcome aboard, sorry if I sound or come off alittle harsh but as Paladin said, we have already explained almost everything in detail using scriptures and tradition and they still dont understand. My apologize. Welcome home Muschi, to the One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Were happy your here CatholicAndFanatical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katholikos Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 I was once a mindless catholic with totally biased beliefs that I knew all the answers. I was challenged by a Protestant about my beliefs and I was able to comfortably tell him that he had no idea what he was talking about. Sound familiar? Only one problem: God had other plans. Mind you it took God fifteen more years to catch my attention. Now He has my full co-operation and guides everything I do. He has yet to request that I return to Catholicism. Remember that Jesus was not a Catholic but in fact a JEW. There would be no Catholics except for the fact that the Jews rejected the teachings of Jesus. If you stop trying to categorise people by religion and start accepting that God does not look at denomination but at your heart, it is possible that some progress may be made in these debates. Until this happens nothing will change. Lots of luck and may God bless you. Jesus taught the Apostles for three years, and the Apostles taught the Church that Christ founded what they had learned from Him (Mt 28:20). What did He teach? Did Christ leave it up to every individual to believe what he pleased, as 33,820 man-made denominations of Protestants do? And an estimated five new conflicting and competing denominations are created by a man (or woman) somewhere in the world every week, based on that very same partial, 66-book Bible that Luther ripped apart. The Catholic Church teaches the Faith that comes to us from the Apostles; it is God-made (Mt 16:18). No Protestant denomination can make that claim. The Catholic Church alone is 2,000 years old and has bishops who trace their ordination back to the Apostles. The very oldest Protestant "church" is less than 500 years old. You may have thought you were a knowledgeable Catholic, but your writing betrays that you didn't know much. And you gave up the Holy Eucharist for a sermon and a song. And now, sadly, you do not have life within you (John 6:53). You dont know much as a Protestant either, like most of them. You don't know where you got the Bible you claim is the only rule of faith and morals. I'll pray for you. A Catholic who leaves the Church founded by Christ and becomes a Protestant risks his salvation. To reject the Church is to reject Christ Himself (Luke 10:16). JMJ Likos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted November 20, 2003 Share Posted November 20, 2003 Remember that Jesus was not a Catholic but in fact a JEW. There would be no Catholics except for the fact that the Jews rejected the teachings of Jesus. again, by rereading your post I find another absurd comment. So basically, are you saying that the Catholics came from the Jews that rejected Jesus? You are correct that Jesus was a Jew, the Jewish people have been and always will be God's chosen people, but Christs Church is the fullfillment of it. Christs Church, meaning ONE Church, not many. blah..sigh..nm CatholicAndFanatical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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