Carrie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jun 21 2005, 03:53 PM']Well make this simple. Are the Mind and the Brian one? Can a chemcal imbalance in the Brain create a mental problem, is that possible at all? [right][snapback]618257[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes, a chemical imbalance can create a mental problem. For example depression. An imbalance of seratonin is a major factor is depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jun 21 2005, 03:55 PM']Concern for anything is not a premise, it might be a cause it is cannot be premise. [right][snapback]618261[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then please tell me what the premise of psychology is, that you find to be so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 a good Catholic premise for psychology: studying the physical human brain and its effect upon a person's behavior in order to help them overcome things that cause them problems bad premise of psychology: figuring out why people are the way they are (for to a Catholic, they are that way because of their soul) and what will make people be better people (which to a Catholic can be done spiritually) basically, psychology as a supplement to an understanding of the soul, and not as a replacement to it, is the only good premise. there is nothing wrong with studying the brain and such, there are other premises in general modern psychology that must be rejected such as materialism though. other than that DJ has been right so far. radical Islam doesn't tell the terrorists they will go to heaven for killing themselves...it tells them they will go to heaven for killing Americans [quote]Then please tell me what the premise of psychology is, that you find to be so wrong.[/quote] concern for something can cause you to do something. the bad premises of modern psychology are those that deny the transcendent nature of the soul. the materialism et cetera. DJ is wrong to assert that that means all psychology, i.e. all study of the brain, is wrong. so long as it is done on the premise that the way the brain is is not the sole or principle ontological nature of that person it is okay and good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Don John: you said that Phycology had made discoveries and intimated that that made it a science but it does not. Oh boy... I diden't mean that JUST because it makes discoveries=a perfect, ideal science, just that we should use such discoveries-Instaraure Omnia In Cristo! The Nazis didn't have distorted idea of medicine they had a distorted idea of humanity and that effected there science, their experiments were immoral but they were scientificly valid. There is no comparison to Phychology. ok, man maybe the nazis was just not a good thing to bring up, but, the point of that was- their discoveries ALTHOUGH implemented through a distorted view of humanity, were still true, just as in Modern Psychology, (perhaps) implemented through a distorted idea of humanity is still psychologically valid discovery...and still needs to be restored in Christ. So what was that false premise that modern psychology's based on again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jun 21 2005, 04:06 PM']Well phycologies theology is bad umkay [right][snapback]618273[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Not always. I think I've done a good job of reconciling my job with my faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jun 21 2005, 02:12 PM']Yes, a chemical imbalance can create a mental problem. For example depression. An imbalance of seratonin is a major factor is depression. [right][snapback]618281[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then you are a materialist, you believe the Mind is material as opposed to a faculty of the soul. Materialism is not okay, it is a rejection of the Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 the mind is a faculty of the soul. a default in that faculty can cause problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jun 21 2005, 04:15 PM']Then you are a materialist, you believe the Mind is material as opposed to a faculty of the soul. Materialism is not okay, it is a rejection of the Truth. [right][snapback]618290[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The mind is a faculty of the soul! When did I say otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Well phycologies theology is bad umkay -Don John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 modern psychology generally operates on the premise that those things observable in the mind are that which makes up the ontollogical nature of the person. Catholic psychology must reject that and see the mind as merely a faculty of the soul which does not affect the nature of a person. Thus, the disorder of depression should not necessarily be considered merely a chemical imbalance, though a chemical imbalance may affect it. Ultimately there is a transcendant spiritual reality which operates the mind and perhaps caused that imbalance in the first place. a person is an embodied rational soul and the mind is part of the BODY, not the rational soul. Therefore, it is merely the agent of the person. Anything that affects a person's personality is ultimately contained in the rational soul and anything observed in the brain of such a person is a reflection of how the soul uses the brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Aloysius: Thus, the disorder of depression should not necessarily be considered merely a chemical imbalance, though a chemical imbalance may affect it. Ultimately there is a transcendant spiritual reality which operates the mind and perhaps caused that imbalance in the first place. True. But I don't think depression is ALWAYS caused by spiritual imbalance. (Carrie, so how can I contact you? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Chemicals can indeed affect emotions (thus the use of drugs/alchohol to achieve various emotional states.) Animals have emotional states. How one chooses (wills) to act or not act on these emotions comes from the soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 Wow... this sorta turned into a poo throwing contest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 21 2005, 04:25 PM']modern psychology generally operates on the premise that those things observable in the mind are that which makes up the ontollogical nature of the person. Catholic psychology must reject that and see the mind as merely a faculty of the soul which does not affect the nature of a person. Thus, the disorder of depression should not necessarily be considered merely a chemical imbalance, though a chemical imbalance may affect it. Ultimately there is a transcendant spiritual reality which operates the mind and perhaps caused that imbalance in the first place. a person is an embodied rational soul and the mind is part of the BODY, not the rational soul. Therefore, it is merely the agent of the person. Anything that affects a person's personality is ultimately contained in the rational soul and anything observed in the brain of such a person is a reflection of how the soul uses the brain. [right][snapback]618309[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I never said merely a chemical imbalance. If you read my last post, I clearly said a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted June 21, 2005 Share Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Semperviva' date='Jun 21 2005, 04:30 PM']Aloysius: Thus, the disorder of depression should not necessarily be considered merely a chemical imbalance, though a chemical imbalance may affect it. Ultimately there is a transcendant spiritual reality which operates the mind and perhaps caused that imbalance in the first place. True. But I don't think depression is ALWAYS caused by spiritual imbalance. (Carrie, so how can I contact you? ) [right][snapback]618319[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Feel free to PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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