Nyc District Denies Birth Of Jesus

[VeraMaria]

This makes me angry.

NYC district denies birth of Jesus?

Nativity scene barred as not 'historically accurate representation of an event'

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Posted: November 12, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

) 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

In a dispute over display of holiday symbols, New York City schools are

allowing Jewish menorahs and Islamic crescents but barring Christian

nativity scenes, alleging the depiction of the birth of Christ does not

represent a historical event.

In pleadings with a federal court in defense of the ban, New York City

lawyers asserted the "suggestion that a crhche is a historically

accurate

representation of an event with secular significance is wholly

disingenuous."

The Jewish and Islamic symbols are allowed, the district says, because

they

have a secular dimension, but the Christian symbols are "purely

religious."

Robert J. Muise, who will challenge the school policy at a federal

court

hearing tomorrow in Brooklyn, told WorldNetDaily be believes most

Americans

don't see it that way.

"The birth of Jesus is a historical event which serves as the basis for

celebration of Christmas," Muise stated. "It's of importance for both

Christians and non-Christians."

Muise's Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center filed a motion to

temporarily

restrain the city from enforcing its ban on nativity scenes. The center

asserts New York's policy "promotes the Jewish and Islamic faiths while

conveying the impermissible message of disapproval of Christianity in

violation of the U.S. Constitution."

The Michigan group says one public-school principal issued a memo

encouraging teachers to bring to school "religious symbols" that

represent

the Islamic and Jewish religions, but made no mention of Christianity.

Jewish menorahs adorned the halls of the school as part of the

authorized

displays, the More Center said, but students were not allowed to make

and

similarly display nativity scenes

A parent who wrote a letter of complaint to her son's teacher received

a

copy of the school's "Holiday Displays" policy in response.

Kate Ahlers, communications director for New York City's law

department,

says schools can use things that are secular like menorahs, stars and

snowflakes, but the crhche is considered religious.

"There is a separation of church and state that is part of the

Constitution," she claimed. "It's a clear belief that people try to

follow

in schools and public office, and schools are saying they adhere to

that

belief."

The point of schools, she added, "is not to debate religion; the point

of

schools is to teach children."

The federal civil-rights lawsuit was filed on behalf of Andrea Skoros

and

her two elementary-school children against the city of New York and

several

school officials.

Skoros and her children are devout Roman Catholics.

"Can Christianity be erased from a public school?" Muse asked in a

statement. "Can 'Christ' be removed from Christmas? We will soon find

out."

[Carrie]

at times like this, I am ashamed to live in this city.

[Paladin D]

Kill them I say.

[Cesar624]

I go to High School here in NYC, I live in Brooklyn and attend school in Manhattan, and I feel that my school is extremely respectful of all faiths and all the kids get along with eachother. I have a friend that I've never even seen her face (she's Muslim), and I have another friend which is Jewish, and she even came to Church with me one time so I could show her around. In fact, we are so open and respectful of eachother, one day I wore her Star of David and she wore my Crucifix. This was completely out of friendship and out of open-mindedness. And as for the Nativity Scene, we have one in of our classrooms (it's a poster), in that classroom we have a lot of religious art from many faiths. I just wanted to share my experience. I don't want everyone thinking NYC is positioned on top of the Gates of Hell or anything - LOL.

Pax Cristi

[Paladin D]

I go to High School here in NYC, I live in Brooklyn and attend school in Manhattan, and I feel that my school is extremely respectful of all faiths and all the kids get along with eachother. I have a friend that I've never even seen her face (she's  Muslim), and I have another friend which is Jewish, and she even came to Church with me one time so I could show her around. In fact, we are so open and respectful of eachother, one day I wore her Star of David and she wore my Crucifix. This was completely out of friendship and out of open-mindedness. And as for the Nativity Scene, we have one in of our classrooms (it's a poster), in that classroom we have a lot of religious art from many faiths. I just wanted to share my experience. I don't want everyone thinking NYC is positioned on top of the Gates of Hell or anything - LOL.

Pax Cristi

Phew, that's good to hear.

I like NYC.

[Uncle Gus]

We should ask for all our holydays back. "What's that? Oh, Christmas? Yeah, that's ours, thanks. No more celebrating our feast days for you. You can have your money-worshipping capitalist orgy. We don't want it. We'll be over here with our nativity scene, celebrating Christmas. And stick your chocolate eggs and your stupid bunny. I never saw a bunny die for my sins. I never received grace from eating chocolate. Easter belongs to Christians, not geniuses who wouldn't know the true meaning of the word 'celebrate' if it bit them in the face."

Bring it on, New York. Bring it on world of Satan. The sooner you oppress us, the sooner you impinge on my right to worship my God, the sooner I can stand up to you, spit in your face and tell you to go to hell.

Edited November 14, 2003 by Uncle Gus

[Ellenita]

Go Uncle Gus, go Uncle gus..... :D

.........I can feel the force all the way here in London, UK! :D

*gulp* Better make sure I'm on Uncle Gus' side otherwise I'm in deep trouble!

:ph34r:

[Kilroy the Ninja]

We should ask for all our holydays back. "What's that? Oh, Christmas? Yeah, that's ours, thanks. No more celebrating our feast days for you. You can have your money-worshipping capitalist orgy. We don't want it. We'll be over here with our nativity scene, celebrating Christmas. And stick your chocolate eggs and your stupid bunny. I never saw a bunny die for my sins. I never received grace from eating chocolate. Easter belongs to Christians, not geniuses who wouldn't know the true meaning of the word 'celebrate' if it bit them in the face."

Bring it on, New York. Bring it on world of Satan. The sooner you oppress us, the sooner you impinge on my right to worship my God, the sooner I can stand up to you, spit in your face and tell you to go to hell.

Would you be my uncle?

That was great!

[geetarplayer]

The Jewish and Islamic symbols are allowed, the district says, because

they have a secular dimension, but the Christian symbols are "purely

religious."

Since when are Judaism and Islam more secular than Christianity? Since when are they not "purely religious"?

Again with all these liberal anti-christs making up the whole "constitutional separation of church and state" business.

-Mark

[God Conquers]

Cause almost no one actually practices Judaism (sadly) and because it's not PC to do anything to upset Muslims right now.

I'm boycotting secular Christmas. It's all about JC now. Only, "Happy Birth of Christ!" for me.

Why can we say happy Hannukah, Happay Ramadan, but no one will say Merry Christmas? Sad, sad , sad

[foundsheep]

We should ask for all our holydays back. "What's that? Oh, Christmas? Yeah, that's ours, thanks. No more celebrating our feast days for you. You can have your money-worshipping capitalist orgy. We don't want it. We'll be over here with our nativity scene, celebrating Christmas. And stick your chocolate eggs and your stupid bunny. I never saw a bunny die for my sins. I never received grace from eating chocolate. Easter belongs to Christians, not geniuses who wouldn't know the true meaning of the word 'celebrate' if it bit them in the face."

Bring it on, New York. Bring it on world of Satan. The sooner you oppress us, the sooner you impinge on my right to worship my God, the sooner I can stand up to you, spit in your face and tell you to go to hell.

Dont forget St. Valentines Day,or how bout St. Patricks day!

[IXpenguin21]

at times like this, I am ashamed to live in this city.

i am very proud of NYC here in dallas where i go to school, making it known to all where i'm from...

but things like this just make me want to smack my forehead in frustration...

[Carrie]

i am very proud of NYC here in dallas where i go to school, making it known to all where i'm from...

but things like this just make me want to smack my forehead in frustration...

I am usually very proud of where I am, but lately NYC has just not been doing too good. This article, the school for gays and lesbians...what's next?

I'm so glad I went to a Catholic school.

[geetarplayer]

I am usually very proud of where I am, but lately NYC has just not been doing too good. This article, the school for gays and lesbians...what's next?

A school for gays and lesbians?? What are they going to call it, Sodomy High?

-Mark

[geetarplayer]

By the way, not only is the idea of a gay/lesbian high school wrong because it promotes immorality, but chances are it will make it easier for hate crimes to be committed. I mean, all those gay people in one area... pretty hard for an extremely prejudiced person not to take advantage of the situation.

-Mark