Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I never said 'only Americans are patriotic', I said its a very American thing-i.e. a lot of Americans are patriotic. I also said that I am not patriotic-not 'all Iirsh people are not patriotic' People need to read my posts more carefully. My point was my opinion and we are all allowed to have our own opinion I think, unless there is some Phatmass rule which states that only opinions which are the same as the majority are acceptable. By the way, you should not generalise all Irish as being 'stuck up snobs' as that would be doing the exact same thing as I was wrongly accused of. *Goes and stands in the corner for having an opinion* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 you can have an opinion... we can disagree.. this is a debate table my friend anyway, I didn't intend to generalize, it's just that the comments made about Americans wishing they were Irish really annoy me. I am Irish. The Republic's Constitution accepts that... in fact I am pure-bred 100% Irish. I am also American. Anyway, no one is attacking you because you have an opinion. We are attacking your opinion because we disagree with it. Calm down. to say "patriotism is an American thing" is not the same thing as saying a lot of Americans are patriotic... you implied an exclusion of the rest of the world... or at least everyone seemed to infer it. Anyway, we were just defending the idea that patriotism is a natural virtue from all over the world. I cannot understand why you keep getting defensive acting as if we are telling you not to have an opinion. We are disagreeing with your opinion. This is a debate table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 [quote name='Matty_boy' date='Jun 9 2005, 01:58 PM'] there are certain things about the USA that are unique to the USA which make it the greatest nation on God's green Earth. [right][snapback]608005[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [url="http://www.usa-patriotism.com/"]http://www.usa-patriotism.com/[/url] [url="http://www.patriotism.org/"]http://www.patriotism.org/[/url] It's thing like these that make people thin kthat Americans are very patriotic-I'm not saying it's a bad thing to love your country, I'm just saying that sometimes people, especially some Americans, go way overboard, doing things like wrapping American flags around statues of the Virgin Mary-it's this sort of thing that annoys me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 how can you be 100% Irish AND American??? I don't get it. By the way, the line you quoted from the Constitution doesn't say that Americans who have Irish ancestors are Irish, it says that we have a special affinity with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I have 100% Irish ancestry. We live in America. It's not that difficult. It says we share a "cultural identity"... what does that mean other than we are Irish. We are not citizens of Ireland, but we are Irish. But if you want you can continue to look down upon us as wannabes... if it will make you feel better about yourself (cough: snobbish). The Irish people from Ireland I've known were never so snobbish. I don't think you understand how much this attitude of yours towards Irish Americans annoys me. I've been to a few family funerals in the past couple of years.. and not one American flag has been at any of them. We process the tri-colors and the erin-go-braugh flag. We are Dougherty's, and Flannigans, and Harmons... and we are Irish. Whether you like it or not, whether it hurts your little attitude or not. And I'm dating a Sullivan... and if that were to work out you know what? that family would be Irish too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I love the way everyone is so adult in this place Pretend all you like, it's ok, you aren't doing me any harm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 Deleted by dUSt: Personal attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted June 10, 2005 Author Share Posted June 10, 2005 That is totally uncalled for, Aloysius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 whatever, maybe I did get a little out of hand. Noel's Angel was really agravating me with a condescending attitude though. Whatever, Patriotism is a virtue always and everywhere because it is simply love for your homeland and your origins. I'm out. PEACE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 I don't know what you posted, but I am sorry if you thought I had a condiscending attitude-it's not that I think being Irish is better than being American, or that I think I'm better than you because I live in Ireland. If I was born in Scotland, I would consider myself Scottish, even though my father is from Ireland-it's just the way I see things. If I was born in America, I would consider myself to be American, not Irish. I apologise for any offense caused but I don't appreciate personal attacks either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 sorry, I was being childish. it's not that I thought you thought you were better than me, it's that you were making fun of all Irish Americans as if they're just little wanna-bes. Sorry, I'm just frustrated with that attitude these days. My cultural identity is Irish... I have an entire family who considers themselves Irish... it annoys me to be told that since we are born/live in America we are not Irish. All my ancestors are Irish, my parents and their parents et cetera all the way back to when we came over here. whatever, I really don't feel like being involved with "drama" over the internet... so this is the end of all that. I don't want to discuss it any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 good, now lets move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 10, 2005 Share Posted June 10, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Raphael' date='Jun 2 2005, 08:29 PM']Patriotism is based on loving our country. When we love our friends, regardless of how twisted and maligned they are, we love them not because we admire all of their traits or actions, but because we want what's best for them. That's love, and when a country is the object, that's patriotism. Patriotism is that which makes us want to make our homeland on earth like our true homeland in Heaven. Patriotism is always a virtue...but there is an evil, twisted form of it, which is nationalism. [right][snapback]605917[/snapback][/right] [/quote] What is scary is that I agree with you filly. I don't even have a "but" in this. Personally, I think the best thing on patriotism is in C.S. Lewis's "The Four Loves." I would quote it but I can't find it right now. Oh and G.K. Cheterton (sp?) said that saying "My country, right or wrong is the same as my mother, drunk or sober." Edited June 10, 2005 by Iacobus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 10 2005, 07:31 PM']I don't think you understand how much this attitude of yours towards Irish Americans annoys me. I've been to a few family funerals in the past couple of years.. and not one American flag has been at any of them. We process the tri-colors and the erin-go-braugh flag. We are Dougherty's, and Flannigans, and Harmons... and we are Irish. Whether you like it or not, whether it hurts your little attitude or not. [right][snapback]608723[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Flags in Ireland are a bit of a tinderbox. Whilst I'm not trying to ignite ire in the the eyes of my Republican cousins, the Irish tricolour representing the entire Irish nation is not accepted universally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 [quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 11 2005, 08:32 AM']Flags in Ireland are a bit of a tinderbox. Whilst I'm not trying to ignite ire in the the eyes of my Republican cousins, the Irish tricolour representing the entire Irish nation is not accepted universally. [right][snapback]609184[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it is in america. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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