homeschoolmom Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jun 2 2005, 04:35 PM'] Jews and Catholics are most certainly made from the same cloth. [/quote] I think it was the smelly stocking part that was offensive... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 don't the words EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS mean something to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 "I want to become Catholic" - Brother Adam the Protestant a few months back. *darn crazy prots* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 i don't get it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote]I don't see how we can respect a church that thinks the Pope as the Anti-christ, and calls us ungodly wretches....but hey thats just me.... [/quote] First of all, Martin Luther is not a Church. He is a person. Lutherans do not worship the man, or hold everything he said as divinely inspired, caricatures notwithstanding. Second, we are called to give an example. We can't respond to hostility with more hostility. We must respond with patient kindness. There is not other way to establish a reconciliation between brothers. Yes, all Christians are brothers, in a supernatural (as opposed to natural) manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 Lutherans still believe that the Pope is the anti-christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:38 PM'] don't the words EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS mean something to you? [/quote] yep, but I'm willing to bet not what you think they mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 04:38 PM'] don't the words EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS mean something to you? [/quote] Don't the words QUANTO CONFICIAMUR MOERORE mean something to you? [quote]There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments. Pope Pius IX[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:45 PM'] Lutherans still believe that the Pope is the anti-christ. [/quote] Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 well i take them as a literal defenition. what do they mean to all of y'all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 04:38 PM'] don't the words EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS mean something to you? [/quote] Yes but I think you are misusing the phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 04:41 PM'] i don't get it... [/quote] I think he's adding a crazy Protestant quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Author Share Posted June 2, 2005 Pope Eugene IV, A.D. 1431-1447: "It (the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church) firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that none of those outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but neither Jews, or heretics and schismatics, can become participants in eternal life, but will depart "into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" Matt. 25:41, unless before the end of life they have been added to the Church; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those abiding in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practised, even if he has shed (his) blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has abided in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church." (Council of Florence, A.D. 1442 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Pope Pius IX: [quote]There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, his supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments. [/quote] Pope Pius XII: [quote]The same in its own degree must be asserted of the Church, in as far as she is the general help to salvation. Therefore, that one may obtain eternal salvation, it is not always required that he be incorporated into the Church actually as a member, but it is necessary that at least he be united to her by desire and longing. However, this desire need not always be explicit, as it is in catechumens; but when a person is involved in invincible ignorance God accepts also an implicit desire, so called because it is included in that good disposition of soul whereby a person wishes his will to be conformed to the will of God. (Letter to Feeney, via Holy Office)[/quote] Second Vatican Ecumenical Council: [quote]Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. [/quote] So, to answer your question: [quote]well i take them as a literal defenition. what do they mean to all of y'all? [/quote] I take it to mean what the Church takes it to mean, as indicated above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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