KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='May 31 2005, 09:59 PM'] Protestantism is a heresy. Its a fact. But we dont call them heretics any more because its not a very charitable thing to do. But protestantism itself is a heresy. [/quote] That's not charitable? Somebody's being awfully PC. So we can talk about homosexuality being a moral evil, but not blatant and unrepentant heresy? That's a huge double standard and has more to do with modern conservative sensibilities than the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='May 31 2005, 10:05 PM'] GLAAD does not lead "gay" people to lives of holiness and chastity - it promotes and supports their perversion and immorality. It is not an "organization that contains sinners," but an organization that exists to promote a sinful lifestyle! Comparing such groups to the Catholic Church is an obscene blasphemy! Is the "psychiatric treatment" and counseling geared towards helping them live chaste lives or end their perversion, or does it encourage and affirm their sinful practices? We empahtically do NOT need government granting special "rights" to homosexuals. Homosexuality should NOT be something protected by law. No one has a right to sodomy! Such legislation is nothing other than left-wing facism in which the federal government forces private individuals and busninesses to accept what they regard as immoral. Political correctness is the erosion of freedom and the path to an evil totalitarianism. If those promoting such laws get their way, such laws would eventually be applied to churches. (This is already the case in some European countries). Murdering or committing crimes against ANYBODY is already against the law. Let's enforce the laws, rather than giving homosexuals special protection under the law. "Hate laws" are totalitarian thought-control, not justice. [/quote] The law already gives homosexuals freedom from losing jobs and homes - it's called the 14th amendment to the constitution. However, it happens all the time and these laws try to enforce the 14th amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. And what does this say about homosexuality?? A liberal interpreter of the law are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='May 31 2005, 10:11 PM'] Amendment XIV Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state. Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void. Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article. And what does this say about homosexuality?? A liberal interpreter of the law are we? [/quote] Gays are citizens. Their rights can't be abridged. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) Well it does directly speak against Ironmonk's defense of the KKK Thanks for posting it Socrates. Edited June 1, 2005 by jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 Since when is practicing sodomy a constitutional right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='May 31 2005, 10:15 PM'] Since when is practicing sodomy a constitutional right? [/quote] Well. They have the right to life liberty and property like anyone else. So, practicing homosexuals have the right to live, to be free to do as they please within the laws of the united states, and to own property, have a job, and live in a house or apartment. The laws I was referring to are ones which make it illegal to fire gays from their jobs or kick them out of their homes. They're citizens. They have rights. If you don't like America, go someplace else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 10:17 PM'] Well. They have the right to life liberty and property like anyone else. So, practicing homosexuals have the right to live, to be free to do as they please within the laws of the united states, and to own property, have a job, and live in a house or apartment. The laws I was referring to are ones which make it illegal to fire gays from their jobs or kick them out of their homes. They're citizens. They have rights. If you don't like America, go someplace else. [/quote] Nobody's confiscating the property of homosexuals. It's already illegal to murder a homosexual. And employers are free to fire straight people for any number of reasons (though federal laws are becoming more and more restrictive). Landlords are also allowed to evict straight tenants for any number of reasons. What's so special about homosexuality? This is giving a perversion special protected status. (And I've read that on average, gays make more money than straights - we're hardly talking a struggling minority here.) Such laws are wrong and give gays special legal status not awarded other people. They are not just and are a perversion of law, and erode true freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='May 31 2005, 10:26 PM'] Nobody's confiscating the property of homosexuals. It's already illegal to murder a homosexual. And employers are free to fire straight people for any number of reasons (though federal laws are becoming more and more restrictive). Landlords are also allowed to evict straight tenants for any number of reasons. What's so special about homosexuality? This is giving a perversion special protected status. (And I've read that on average, gays make more money than straights - we're hardly talking a struggling minority here.) Such laws are wrong and give gays special legal status not awarded other people. They are not just and are a perversion of law, and erode true freedom. [/quote] Look, the point is, gays can be evicted for all the same reasons as straights - but NOT for being gay. That's justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 I like Fords. I've come to learn that almost every company supports something that isn't necessarily right. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='May 31 2005, 10:15 PM'] Since when is practicing sodomy a constitutional right? [/quote] Well, those that push it will point to the tenth amendment stating that all powers not given to the federal government nor prohibited to the states belong to the states, or the people. The irony here is that a Nebraska law ([i]state[/i] law) prohibiting gay marriage was struck down by a federal court (Ironmonk mentioned it in another of his posts). Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Norseman82' date='May 31 2005, 11:29 PM'] Well, those that push it will point to the tenth amendment stating that all powers not given to the federal government nor prohibited to the states belong to the states, or the people. The irony here is that a Nebraska law ([i]state[/i] law) prohibiting gay marriage was struck down by a federal court (Ironmonk mentioned it in another of his posts). Go figure. [/quote] Or those who believe in the constitution will point to the 14th amendment. You can't say consenting adults have a right to have sex and then deny gay sex. That's unequal application of the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 11:31 PM'] Or those who believe in the constitution will point to the 14th amendment. You can't say consenting adults have a right to have sex and then deny gay sex. That's unequal application of the law. [/quote] OK, if that's your reasoning, would you take that logic to the next step and legalize unions between men and border collies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='Norseman82' date='May 31 2005, 11:39 PM'] OK, if that's your reasoning, would you take that logic to the next step and legalize unions between men and border collies? [/quote] Border collies aren't human and therefore are incapable of consent. But you just love the added scandal of beastiality and its shock value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 1, 2005 Share Posted June 1, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 11:41 PM'] Border collies aren't human and therefore are incapable of consent. But you just love the added scandal of beastiality and its shock value. [/quote] OK, fine, what about legalizing marriages between adult siblings? By your logic, they're consenting adults, what right do we have to deny them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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