guardsman Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 [quote name='Mrvoll' date='May 27 2005, 01:46 PM']My question is what makes Pope John Paul II the great? What has he done for the Church that would call him "the great"[/quote] Just out of curiosity, what have you done to get that cool "Defender of the Catholic Faith" logo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateri05 Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 he doesn't have one, he just has a vatican falg picture. not the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 [quote name='guardsman' date='May 27 2005, 11:55 PM'] Hey Kilroy- If you're having trouble knowing if JPII made it to heaven, good luck on YOUR journey. Being Catholic and loyal to the Church doesn't mean we get silly. You can't get more Catholic than the Pope. He's in Heaven. Lighten up. [/quote] Hey guardsman, chill out and read the cathechism some time. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 The Pope died in a state of grace, so he is at least in Purgatory. Since he is at least in purgatory he can pray for all of us. John Paul the Great, pray for us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 [quote name='guardsman' date='May 27 2005, 11:55 PM'] Hey Kilroy- If you're having trouble knowing if JPII made it to heaven, good luck on YOUR journey. Being Catholic and loyal to the Church doesn't mean we get silly. You can't get more Catholic than the Pope. He's in Heaven. Lighten up. [/quote] So says Dante who put Pope Nicholas in Hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 [quote name='guardsman' date='May 27 2005, 11:58 PM'] Just out of curiosity, what have you done to get that cool "Defender of the Catholic Faith" logo? [/quote] What's this about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 If no one ever prayed to him, there'd never be any miracles attributed to him. pray to him in a spirit of conditionality, however. Even if it is extremely optimistic conditionality, the spirit of prudential conditionality should still be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 I still don't think there should be public prayers to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted May 28, 2005 Share Posted May 28, 2005 PUBLIC prayers, I think I would agree. not until he is part of the canon of saints who can be publically prayed to. private prayers in a spirit of conditionality though, are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookwyrm Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 [quote name='jmjtina' date='May 26 2005, 12:59 AM'] I'm praying for a miracle to help speed up the process. [/quote] Yeah. I asked him to hook me up with a '5' on my AP Bio exam, will that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 28 2005, 09:10 AM'] The Pope died in a state of grace, so he is at least in Purgatory. Since he is at least in purgatory he can pray for all of us. John Paul the Great, pray for us! [/quote] There is no way to tell if a man dies in a state of grace or not, as long as you are alive until they are either canonized, or you die and find out. I don't think there is much doubt that he died in a state of grace. Kissing the Koran isn't eating with prostitutes and sinners (wasn't it tax-collecters?), it's a whole 'nother story. Jesus didn't accept their faults, he accepted them as people who have faults, and wished to show them that God loves everyone. Kissing the Koran is pretty much like kissing a book of errors, and accepting the fault. However, I'm not gonna go there. I'm sure JPII, acting as head of the Catholic Church, was not in anyway promoting the notion that their errors are to be respected... God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 [quote]Jesus didn't accept their faults, he accepted them as people who have faults, and wished to show them that God loves everyone.[/quote] And John Paul II didn't accept Islam's faults, he accepted it as a religion with much truth and faults, and wished to show them that God loves truth, wherever it is found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 [quote name='MichaelFilo' date='May 28 2005, 09:32 PM'] There is no way to tell if a man dies in a state of grace or not, as long as you are alive until they are either canonized, or you die and find out. I don't think there is much doubt that he died in a state of grace. Kissing the Koran isn't eating with prostitutes and sinners (wasn't it tax-collecters?), it's a whole 'nother story. Jesus didn't accept their faults, he accepted them as people who have faults, and wished to show them that God loves everyone. Kissing the Koran is pretty much like kissing a book of errors, and accepting the fault. However, I'm not gonna go there. I'm sure JPII, acting as head of the Catholic Church, was not in anyway promoting the notion that their errors are to be respected... God bless, Mikey [/quote] ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 His action of kissing the Koran must have been accompanied with come statements of sorts? Does anyone know what his statements where? In what context precisely did he kiss the Koran? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eremite Posted May 29, 2005 Share Posted May 29, 2005 Didacus, Well, it wasn't like he held a press conference. It was just a spontaneous show of respect for Muslims and the corpus of truth to be found in Islam. Kissing was his common display of respect (eg, he always kissed the ground when he stepped off the plane). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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