Catholic marrying a non-Catholic

[cmotherofpirl]

I'm sure that will make sense to the people who are married to non-christians

[Melchisedec]

Basicly, philothea's marriage is a sham in the eyes of the church.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 17 2005, 08:16 PM'] I'm sure that will make sense to the people who are married to non-christians [/quote]
They aren't married to non Christians--- they have a contractual agreement with anon Christian, that isn't a marraige.

[cmotherofpirl]

Our members married to non-christians MIGHT disagree.

[Don John of Austria]

The requirments for a mixed marriage are as such even if these requirments are met the marriage isnot sacramental.

From canon Law:

Can. 1086 §1 A marriage is invalid when one of the two persons was baptised in the catholic Church or received into it and has not by a formal act defected from it, and the other was not baptised.

2 This impediment is not to be dispensed unless the conditions mentioned in cann. 1125 and 1126 have been fulfilled.

§3 If at the time the marriage was contracted one party was commonly understood to be baptised, or if his or her baptism was doubtful, the validity of the marriage is to be presumed in accordance with can. 1060, until it is established with certainty that one party was baptised and the other was not.



Can. 1124 Without the express permission of the competent authority, marriage is prohibited between two baptised persons, one of whom was baptised in the catholic Church or received into it after baptism and has not defected from it by a formal act, the other of whom belongs to a Church or ecclesial community not in full communion with the catholic Church.

Can. 1125 The local Ordinary can grant this permission if there is a just and reasonable cause. He is not to grant it unless the following conditions are fulfilled:

1° the catholic party is to declare that he or she is prepared to remove dangers of defecting from the faith, and is to make a sincere promise to do all in his or her power in order that all the children be baptised and brought up in the catholic Church;

2° the other party is to be informed in good time of these promises to be made by the catholic party, so that it is certain that he or she is truly aware of the promise and of the obligation of the catholic party

3° both parties are to be instructed about the purposes and essential properties of marriage, which are not to be excluded by either contractant.

Can. 1126 It is for the Episcopal Conference to prescribe the manner in which these declarations and promises, which are always required, are to be made, and to determine how they are to be established in the external forum, and how the non-catholic party is to be informed of them.

Can. 1127 §1 The provisions of can. 1108 are to be observed in regard to the form to be used in a mixed marriage. If, however, the catholic party contracts marriage with a non-catholic party of oriental rite, the canonical form of celebration is to be observed for lawfulness only; for validity, however, the intervention of a sacred minister is required, while observing the other requirements of law.

§2 If there are grave difficulties in the way of observing the canonical form, the local Ordinary of the catholic party has the right to dispense from it in individual cases, having however consulted the Ordinary of the place of the celebration of the marriage; for validity, however, some public form of celebration is required. It is for the Episcopal Conference to establish norms whereby this dispensation may be granted in a uniform manner.

§3 It is forbidden to have, either before or after the canonical celebration in accordance with §1, another religious celebration of the same marriage for the purpose of giving or renewing matrimonial consent. Likewise, there is not to be a religious celebration in which the catholic assistant and a non-catholic minister, each performing his own rite, ask for the consent of the parties.

Can. 1128 Local Ordinaries and other pastors of souls are to see to it that the catholic spouse and the children born of a mixed marriage are not without the spiritual help needed to fulfil their obligations; they are also to assist the spouses to foster the unity of conjugal and family life.

Can. 1129 The provisions of cann. 1127 and 1128 are to be applied also to marriages which are impeded by the impediment of disparity of worship mentioned in can. 1086 §1.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 17 2005, 08:43 PM'] Our members married to non-christians MIGHT disagree. [/quote]
they might be wrong then.

[Wolfie]

[quote name='scardella' date='May 17 2005, 12:55 PM'] It would seem that one would have to avoid non-Catholics in social situations to prevent such a relationship from occurring. [/quote]
That doesn't make sense to me...

???you have to "avoid" people to prevent a relationship from occurring??? (qualifying "relationship" as a dating relationship)

obviously thats not true. I go to events/parties all the time...meet plenty of people and enjoy my old acquaintences, and I don't leave with ANY "relationships". (sometimes I wish I would :wub: )

come on now....

[MichaelFilo]

And CMOM was the one who was talking about how much feelings don't matter....


Without the Sacraments, the marriage is not approved by God. It is just a union between two persons. Like secular marriage. Sure, they may love each other, but it is without the blessings of the Church.

God bless,
Mikey

[Azriel]

Here we go again!

Look, me and Lil Red have both been around the block with this one. If anyone wants to ask me all about my experience marrying a Non Catholic, not much of anything, in the Church, with proper dispensation given. (11 years and counting with a beautiful baptized baby girl being raised Catholic) hit me up in PM or email.

[Mateo el Feo]

I'm flipping through Canon Law, trying to figure this stuff out, and looking for some help. Given:[list]
[*]A marriage between two Catholics is sacramental.
[*]A marriage between a Catholic and a non-Christian ("disparity of cult") is not sacramental; but it is allowed by dispensation.
[/list]My questions are:[list]
[*]Is a marriage between one Catholic and one baptized non-Catholic Christian considered to be sacramental?
[*]Are the terms "sacramental marriage" and "Christian marriage" interchangeable? "Christian marriage" shows up in the Code of Canon Law.
[/list]Thanks!

PS--Since I'm hooked on Aquinas, here's something from the Summa Theologica, though his own answer doesn't seem to agree with the current Code of Canon Law.

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/summa/505901.htm"]Whether a believer can marry an unbeliever? (link)[/url]

[MichaelFilo]

Sacramental marriage is between two baptized persons (not suprisingly, that means Christians). It is sacramental, although I don't know the proper administers of the sacrament are. (For instance, is it reserved to priests, or can a lay person marry people (which is what a protestant minister would be)).

God bless,
Mikey

[philothea]

As far as I understand, married people administer the sacrament to each other.

[Mateo el Feo]

If I remember correctly:

In the Eastern Churches, the priest is the minister of the sacrament. In the Western Church, the fiancees are the ministers of the sacrament (in the presence of an officiating priest).

In extra-ordinary circumstances (e.g. being trapped on a deserted island), lay persons may administer the sacrament marriage. In ordinary circumstances, a priest must be present.

[philothea]

That sounds like what I recall, too.

[kateri05]

i just married a non-Catholic Christian almost 6 months ago, and it was definitely a sacrament trust me, i checked

it DID require special permission; the priest is required to fill out forms to get a special dispensation, even to a Christian, because if the faith is important enough to you to get married in the Church, they want to know why you're not marrying a Catholic. usually the reasons involve the potential for conversion, or in other cases, because of children already in existence, etc etc.

also, it is HIGHLY recommended that you perform the wedding outside of a mass (which i did!) since the Eucharist is not something that you share and it is required that the Catholic party (here, myself) agree to raise the children catholic, formally in a canonically binding document (which i also did!)

however, the unequally yoked verse would still apply in this case because we AREN't the same and i had to do a lot of praying and discerning before hand about the heavy mantle of responsibilty of raising catholic children by myself. My fiancee (at the time) was/is supportive of raising the children Catholic (should God choose to bless us with them), but the weight of the responsibility still fell on me as the Catholic to teach the Faith of the Church.

so would i recommend it? not really. will it happen anyways? yes. true love (and God!) is funny like that So basically, don't look for a non- Catholic spouse on purpose, but you never know where God will lead you. and non-Christian is a whole other barrel of worms that should be best left unopened. not that its not impossible, but there will definitly be heartache!

and who knows, the catholic spouse might one day have to answer the question of "how does RCIA work" by their non-Catholic spouse and have the shock of a lifetime