Physician Tells of Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano

[cmotherofpirl]

Physician Tells of Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano

Edoardo Linoli Verified Authenticity of the Phenomenon

ROME, 5 MAY 2005 (ZENIT)
Dr. Edoardo Linoli says he held real cardiac tissue in his hands, when some years ago he analyzed the relics of the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, Italy.

The phenomenon dates back to the eighth century. A Basilian monk, who had doubts about the real presence of Christ in the sacred species, was offering Mass, in a church dedicated to St. Legontian in the town of Lanciano.

When he pronounced the words of the consecration, the host was miraculously changed into physical flesh and the wine into physical blood.

Later the blood coagulated and the flesh remained the same. These relics were kept in the cathedral.

Linoli, a professor of anatomy and pathological histology, and of chemistry and clinical microscopy, and former head of the Laboratory of Pathological Anatomy at the Hospital of Arezzo, is the only doctor who has analyzed the relics of the miracle of Lanciano. His findings have stirred interest in the scientific world.

At the initiative of Archbishop Pacifico Perantoni of Lanciano, and of the provincial minister of the Franciscan Conventuals of Abruzzo, and with authorization from Rome, in November 1970 the Franciscans of Lanciano decided to have the relics examined scientifically.

Linoli was entrusted with the study. He was assisted by Dr. Ruggero Bertelli, retired professor of human anatomy at the University of Siena.

Linoli extracted parts of the relics with great care and then analyzed the remains of "miraculous flesh and blood." He presented his findings on March 4, 1971.

His study confirmed that the flesh and blood were of human origin. The flesh was unequivocally cardiac tissue, and the blood was of type AB.

Consulted by ZENIT, Linoli explained that "as regards the flesh, I had in my hand the endocardium. Therefore, there is no doubt at all that it is cardiac tissue."

In regard to the blood, the scientist emphasized that "the blood group is the same as that of the man of the holy Shroud of Turin, and it is particular because it has the characteristics of a man who was born and lived in the Middle East regions."

"The AB blood group of the inhabitants of the area in fact has a percentage that extends from 0.5% to 1%, while in Palestine and the regions of the Middle East it is 14-15%," Linoli said.

Linoli's analysis revealed no traces of preservatives in the elements, meaning that the blood could not have been extracted from a corpse, because it would have been rapidly altered.

Linoli's report was published in "Quaderni Sclavo di Diagnostica Clinica e di Laboratori" in 1971.

In 1973, the Higher Council of the World Health Organization (WHO) appointed a scientific commission to verify the Italian doctor's conclusions. The work was carried out over 15 months with a total of 500 examinations. The conclusions of all the researches confirmed what had been stated and published in Italy.

The extract of the scientific research of WHO's medical commission was published in New York and Geneva in 1976, confirming science's inability to explain the phenomenon.

Today, Linoli participated in a congress on Eucharistic miracles organized by the Science and Faith master's program of Rome's Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University, in cooperation with the St. Clement I Pope and Martyr Institute, on the occasion of the Year of the Eucharist under way.

"Eucharistic miracles are extraordinary phenomena of a different type," Legionary Father Rafael Pascual, director of the congress, told Vatican Radio. "For example, there is the transformation of the species of bread and wine into flesh and blood, the miraculous preservation of consecrated Hosts, and some Hosts that shed blood."

"In Italy, these miracles have occurred in several places," he said, "but we also find them in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain " and some in North America. ZE05050502

[LittleLes]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='May 13 2005, 08:51 AM'] Physician Tells of Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano

Edoardo Linoli Verified Authenticity of the Phenomenon

ROME, 5 MAY 2005 (ZENIT)
Dr. Edoardo Linoli says he held real cardiac tissue in his hands, when some years ago he analyzed the relics of the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, Italy.

The phenomenon dates back to the eighth century. A Basilian monk, who had doubts about the real presence of Christ in the sacred species, was offering Mass, in a church dedicated to St. Legontian in the town of Lanciano.

When he pronounced the words of the consecration, the host was miraculously changed into physical flesh and the wine into physical blood.

Later the blood coagulated and the flesh remained the same. These relics were kept in the cathedral.

Linoli, a professor of anatomy and pathological histology, and of chemistry and clinical microscopy, and former head of the Laboratory of Pathological Anatomy at the Hospital of Arezzo, is the only doctor who has analyzed the relics of the miracle of Lanciano. His findings have stirred interest in the scientific world.

At the initiative of Archbishop Pacifico Perantoni of Lanciano, and of the provincial minister of the Franciscan Conventuals of Abruzzo, and with authorization from Rome, in November 1970 the Franciscans of Lanciano decided to have the relics examined scientifically.

Linoli was entrusted with the study. He was assisted by Dr. Ruggero Bertelli, retired professor of human anatomy at the University of Siena.

Linoli extracted parts of the relics with great care and then analyzed the remains of "miraculous flesh and blood." He presented his findings on March 4, 1971.

His study confirmed that the flesh and blood were of human origin. The flesh was unequivocally cardiac tissue, and the blood was of type AB.

Consulted by ZENIT, Linoli explained that "as regards the flesh, I had in my hand the endocardium. Therefore, there is no doubt at all that it is cardiac tissue."

In regard to the blood, the scientist emphasized that "the blood group is the same as that of the man of the holy Shroud of Turin, and it is particular because it has the characteristics of a man who was born and lived in the Middle East regions."

"The AB blood group of the inhabitants of the area in fact has a percentage that extends from 0.5% to 1%, while in Palestine and the regions of the Middle East it is 14-15%," Linoli said.

Linoli's analysis revealed no traces of preservatives in the elements, meaning that the blood could not have been extracted from a corpse, because it would have been rapidly altered.

Linoli's report was published in "Quaderni Sclavo di Diagnostica Clinica e di Laboratori" in 1971.

In 1973, the Higher Council of the World Health Organization (WHO) appointed a scientific commission to verify the Italian doctor's conclusions. The work was carried out over 15 months with a total of 500 examinations. The conclusions of all the researches confirmed what had been stated and published in Italy.

The extract of the scientific research of WHO's medical commission was published in New York and Geneva in 1976, confirming science's inability to explain the phenomenon.

Today, Linoli participated in a congress on Eucharistic miracles organized by the Science and Faith master's program of Rome's Regina Apostolorum Pontifical University, in cooperation with the St. Clement I Pope and Martyr Institute, on the occasion of the Year of the Eucharist under way.

"Eucharistic miracles are extraordinary phenomena of a different type," Legionary Father Rafael Pascual, director of the congress, told Vatican Radio. "For example, there is the transformation of the species of bread and wine into flesh and blood, the miraculous preservation of consecrated Hosts, and some Hosts that shed blood."

"In Italy, these miracles have occurred in several places," he said, "but we also find them in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Spain " and some in North America. ZE05050502 [/quote]
Think this one through, CMother,

(1) The alleged miracle occurred in the 8th century.

(2) There is nothing even remotely existing what we would all a chain of custody.

(3) There is only cardiac tissue and dried blood.

(4) Old blood types AB regardless of the original type (check forensics website)

(5) Only one physician performed the analyses.

(6) Analyses were only performed in Italy and not referred to any other sources for confirmation.

(7) No peer reviewed study has been published.


I worked for many years in clinical labs. I had access to cadaver endometrial tissue and blood. If I had placed them in vials, allowed them to age, and then claimed that they were from a miracle in the 8th century, would my claim be any less creditable than the Lanciano legend?

Edited May 13, 2005 by LittleLes

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Wow Littleless.

Just wow.

I bet you're really fun at holiday parties. Assuming you don't debunk them and have them cancelled as soon as you receive an invitation.

[Q the Ninja]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='May 13 2005, 09:31 AM'] Think this one through, CMother,

(1) The alleged miracle occurred in the 8th century.

(2) There is nothing even remotely existing what we would all a chain of custody.

(3) There is only cardiac tissue and dried blood.

(4) Old blood types AB regardless of the original type (check forensics website)

(5) Only one physician performed the analyses.

(6) Analyses were only performed in Italy and not referred to any other sources for confirmation.

(7) No peer reviewed study has been published.


I worked for many years in clinical labs. I had access to cadaver endometrial tissue and blood. If I had placed them in vials, allowed them to age, and then claimed that they were from a miracle in the 8th century, would my claim be any less creditable than the Lanciano legend? [/quote]
And how long does heart tissue last alone? I think that this has actually been studied before, and has been a story told for years, centuries even. I doubt that the people have enough resources to keep this "rumor" alive if it were such. Plus, most people would just get tired of the idea.

Twelve hundred years is a long time to keep heart tissue and blood preserved.

Also, didn't they also prove that AB is the same blood type as some other fabric?

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='May 13 2005, 09:31 AM'] Think this one through, CMother,

(1) The alleged miracle occurred in the 8th century.

(2) There is nothing even remotely existing what we would all a chain of custody.

(3) There is only cardiac tissue and dried blood.

(4) Old blood types AB regardless of the original type (check forensics website)

(5) Only one physician performed the analyses.

(6) Analyses were only performed in Italy and not referred to any other sources for confirmation.

(7) No peer reviewed study has been published.


I worked for many years in clinical labs. I had access to cadaver endometrial tissue and blood. If I had placed them in vials, allowed them to age, and then claimed that they were from a miracle in the 8th century, would my claim be any less creditable than the Lanciano legend? [/quote]
1) Big deal.

2) Being preserved in a church is actually an incredibly good case of chain of custody. We know where it has been and who has had it probably from then till now.

3) What else would there be? A mysterious aura? A booming voice from God? Do you want the cardiac tissue to hop off of the tray and slap you or something?

4) That's not true. It depends on whether or not you have a degraded sample. Presumably the blood is partially degraded from a period of over one thousand years, but we don't know. Moreover, you aren't a forensic scientist and you haven't analyzed the blood yourself. We have a doctor and the world health organization stating that they definitively typed the blood. Maybe it's worth a look.

5) The World Health Organization went back over his findings.

6) The Catholic Church members hold this to be the flesh and blood of Christ. I'm amazed they let anyone touch it, let alone take it out of the country. Besides, nothing wrong with doing studies in Italy. There are multiple sources within Italy itself. You don't need another nation's confirmation in the field of science.

7) Do you know that? Where does it say these publications weren't peer reviewed?

Yes, yes it would be less credible. The Church, which has stood for over one thousand years, claims that it has an old relic. Using period documents, we can see how far back that claim goes.

Besides, we're all missing the real question. If the eucharist turned to real flesh and blood, would you still eat it?

[CatholicAndFanatical]

[quote]
The Church, which has stood for over one thousand years
[/quote]

**coughTwoThousandcough**

[LittleLes]

[quote name='Q the Ninja' date='May 13 2005, 11:32 AM'] And how long does heart tissue last alone? I think that this has actually been studied before, and has been a story told for years, centuries even. I doubt that the people have enough resources to keep this "rumor" alive if it were such. Plus, most people would just get tired of the idea.

Twelve hundred years is a long time to keep heart tissue and blood preserved.

Also, didn't they also prove that AB is the same blood type as some other fabric? [/quote]
Actually, squamous epithelium can last quite a long time. I believe that some tissue from a dinosaur was recently unearthed and was preserved enough to be used in DNA studies.

Of course, the ideal is to keep the tissue sample in a container limiting the amount of air contact.

The Shroud of Turin is also suppose to be typed AB as would other old blood samples. Whatever the case, I'm told that in the Mideast, type AB lood is far more prevalent than the 4% of the US population. (Actually, with incresed Asian migration, the percentage in the US is probably higher now).

LittleLes

[LittleLes]

[quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 13 2005, 11:47 AM']

2) Being preserved in a church is actually an incredibly good case of chain of custody. We know where it has been and who has had it probably from then till now.
[/quote]
Surely you jest!

Ever hear of the 59 pseudoIsadorian (or False) decretals? Historically, one could always find someone to gin up false evidence for the Church.

Do you think that Constantine ever really made what the Church claimed to be the Donation of Constantine.

LittleLes

[LittleLes]

[quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 13 2005, 11:47 AM']

5)  The World Health Organization went back over his findings.

6) The Catholic Church members hold this to be the flesh and blood of Christ.  I'm amazed they let anyone touch it, let alone take it out of the country.  Besides, nothing wrong with doing studies in Italy.  There are multiple sources within Italy itself.  You don't need another nation's confirmation in the field of science.





[/quote]
(5) Evidence please.

(6) Maybe the Church realizes that it really isn't but doesn't want to destroy the myth.

Keep in mind, now, we're suppose to have Jesus' foreskin from his circumcision too. I think several churches claim to possess it.

Edited May 13, 2005 by LittleLes

[CatholicAndFanatical]

[quote]
we're suppose
[/quote]

whos this we stuff? You dont believe in the Church so what 'we' are you talking about?

[Didacus]

[quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='May 13 2005, 11:05 AM'] Wow Littleless.

Just wow.

I bet you're really fun at holiday parties. Assuming you don't debunk them and have them cancelled as soon as you receive an invitation. [/quote]
The price of knowledge is the death of innocence.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote name='Didacus' date='May 13 2005, 02:33 PM'] The price of knowledge is the death of innocence. [/quote]
Well aren't ya'll just a barrel of fun.


You need joy in your life.

[LittleLes]

[quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='May 13 2005, 02:09 PM']
whos this we stuff? You dont believe in the Church so what 'we' are you talking about? [/quote]
I have a mouse in my pocket.

[LittleLes]

[quote name='Didacus' date='May 13 2005, 02:33 PM'] The price of knowledge is the death of innocence. [/quote]
Indeed! And putting aside childish things and believing as a man. Even Paul said that.

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='May 13 2005, 12:49 PM'] Surely you jest!

Ever hear of the 59 pseudoIsadorian (or False) decretals? Historically, one could always find someone to gin up false evidence for the Church.

Do you think that Constantine ever really made what the Church claimed to be the Donation of Constantine.

LittleLes [/quote]
The donation of Constantine was an invention of the west. We've known it was a forgery since the 16th century - and that was without modern historical researching methods. Besides which, that was a document, this is a relic. Let's not compare apples and elephants here.