CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 12 2005, 11:21 PM'] So what if priests profane the eucharist in a particularly liberal diocese? Do you have the right to remove them from the true presence? [/quote] not only is it your RIGHT Its your DUTY as a Catholic and Defender of Faith and Church Militant to do so. Your Priest may not like it..but Jesus would be very happy if its done in a non violent way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='May 12 2005, 10:23 PM'] not only is it your RIGHT Its your DUTY as a Catholic and Defender of Faith and Church Militant to do so. Your Priest may not like it..but Jesus would be very happy if its done in a non violent way. [/quote] I confronted him about it and told him what he was doing was against the GIRM and he said, "Yes, it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahB Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='May 12 2005, 11:19 PM'] if you're serious and have the guts.. why not go to your diocesan cathedral for Mass and be a watchdog? and as regards our authority to stand up and stop this, all baptized Catholics are legitimate defenders of the Holy Eucharist having the right and sometimes the obligation to use any means necessary to prevent open public sacrilidge sarahB, carry a little fake pot of gold with writing on the side that says "THE RAINBOW ENDS HERE" [/quote] Don't tempt me, lol. I've already caused a ruckus at my church by wearing my Bush/Cheney shirt and telling people they couldn't vote for Kerry because of his stance on abortion. I actually had people screaming at me coming out of church when they saw the bumper sticker on my car. Although....that does sound like a great new away message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 12 2005, 11:25 PM'] I confronted him about it and told him what he was doing was against the GIRM and he said, "Yes, it is." [/quote] think it might be time to write your Bishop, and if that doesnt work contact the Arch-Bishop if that doesnt work, my website has the contact information for the Roman Curia and De Fide as well. I seriously think these people should be contacted and punishment be set forth for these Priests not wanting to follow the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizlarAgha Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='May 12 2005, 10:28 PM'] think it might be time to write your Bishop, and if that doesnt work contact the Arch-Bishop if that doesnt work, my website has the contact information for the Roman Curia and De Fide as well. I seriously think these people should be contacted and punishment be set forth for these Priests not wanting to follow the Church. [/quote] Except my arch-bishop is Cardinal Mahoney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 oh wait..my website is down for a bit.. www.defide.com and I think IronMonk should have the Curia information. my site will be back up soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 great googly boogly is it really?? I'll pray for you bro. im sorry. contact Roman Curia then and even De Fide De Fide, if you dont already know, are the ones who are taking Kerry to court for a possible excommunication. They are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 well, first of by virtue of the indullable mark upon their souls priests are in a different class than laymen, and thus the layman's treatment of the priest is governed by different etiquette than his treatement of other laymen secondly, if they are publically and purposefully profaning the Eucharist, it depends on what level. at what point it is illicit is a whole other story than at what point it is sacrilidge... and if it ever got to the point of invalidation of the Eucharist I would disrupt mass and ask the priest some questions to confirm it was invalid, and if he refused to consecrate it again correctly I would announce to the congregation that he is simply passing out bread and wine and it would be insulting to the Lord to receive it, then walk out. anyway, this is different as it is a public and purposeful act of war against the Catholic Church and her teachings by committing sacrilidge and advertising it in complete scandal to the faithful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 So they call the pope a meanie and expect for him to stop upholding the truth of the Catholic Church? As Akin put it, "Actually, all they will succeed in doing is demonstrating their own irrelevance while profaning the Blessed Sacrament. Stories like this can make it a very difficult trial for orthodox Catholics who know they must separate contempt for the sin from contempt for the sinner." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahB Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='jmjtina' date='May 12 2005, 11:38 PM'] Stories like this can make it a very difficult trial for orthodox Catholics who know they must separate contempt for the sin from contempt for the sinner." [/quote] I don't know....I mean, yeah, it makes me want to shake some sense into them. But really, it just makes me sad for them. It makes me sad because they think they're doing the right thing. They think that by disrupting the Holy Mass that they're pleasing God when the truth of the matter is, He's probably totally ticked off at them. But....it doesn't take away my resolve to show them, as lovingly as I can, that they're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I agree with both tina and sarah, however..this is not just the Priests job to defend Christ. When that defense is lapsed and broken down its up to us to stand up for Christ and say they are wrong 'Why, dont ever learn from our mistakes why, do we keep slapping God in His face...' My Athiest friends listen to Atheist Radio and there's a guy on there that takes calls and he keeps saying stupid things like 'Why did this baby die? Thanks God!' or 'Why did God allow this to happen' thats one I hear alot 'Why did God allow this to happen' the real question God is asking us: 'Why did you allow this to happen?' WE must be the one to defend. Stand side by side with our Priests and infront of those that dont want to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahB Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 It can be difficult to do that when the priests and other Church leaders are against keeping with Church teachings. I just pray that when we face resistance from those with authority over us, that we can stand up for what is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='SarahB' date='May 12 2005, 11:59 PM'] It can be difficult to do that when the priests and other Church leaders are against keeping with Church teachings. I just pray that when we face resistance from those with authority over us, that we can stand up for what is right. [/quote] yea me too. I feel like Peter. Lord I will die for you! only when the time comes I flee or do nothing. I do think it would be easier if I knew there were others that had my back if I had to confront one of them. I think I am going to take what Aloysius said and memorize it for Sunday: [quote] "Out of concern for your souls and for the defence of the Most Holy Eucharist, I cannot allow you to commit this sacrilidge. You stand here at a crossroads, a decision to be made. If you continue to wear this rainbow sash, you are choosing not to be Catholic. Remove the sash out of respect and obedience to the representatives of Christ on earth, and come join us at our Eucharistic Table where you can ask Him for all clarification on those things which you have trouble understanding or believing. But know this, if you refuse to remove this sash, I cannot in good conscience allow you to pass and right now ask you to leave this sacred place." [/quote] We should all pray for perseverance and pray for my spelling of perseverance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SarahB Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 [quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='May 13 2005, 12:05 AM'] I do think it would be easier if I knew there were others that had my back if I had to confront one of them. [/quote] Well....take heart in knowing that you do have people to back you up, even if we're not physically beside you. We're all connected in the Body of Christ and as members of the Church Militant. So, even if we can't be right beside you, we're still there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 couldnt agree more. I think we should each say one Hail Mary for those that will have to defend Christ this weekend. Pray that the Priests will stand up in Defense of Christ, and stand with us as well. For those who will need guidance this weekend against those that want to harm the Church and for those Priests and Bishops, that they may Stand Up for Christ and the teachings of His Church: Hail Mary, full of Grace, the Lord is with thee, Blessed art thou amongst women, and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God Pray for us sinners. Now and at the hour of our death, Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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