Churches sold to compensate victims

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='May 14 2005, 02:07 PM'] We aren't the Holy Roman Empire anymore, [b]Journeyman[/b] is right.

Though it is unfortunate that such a thing has to be done, we have no [b]*legal*[/b] authority to override the decision of the state or country. If they start legalizing the burning of Churches or crucifixion of Christians, than that's another story.

Don John, the Church cannot simply say [b]"She can simply say NO we are not under your authority, we will not pay."[/b], for the secular courts will not recognize this argument. To them, that claim is no different than some Muslims claiming they have a right to control the world. [/quote]
Who cares what the Courts recognize let them confiscate the property let them arrest our bishops let them revel themselves for what they are , but we are not to surrender to them. As for the Church haveing no legal authority, you are wrong the Church is the only one with any authority, certianl;y the secular humaist states have no authority at all.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 14 2005, 02:14 PM'] It doesn't matter whether the secular governments recognize it or not. Let them try to do something about it.

You cannot say that just because the times have changed that the Church should change with them. That's a ridiculous argument. Every Catholic is required to be loyal to the Vatican first and their home nation second. If the Vatican told me to overthrow America, I'd do it. [/quote]
agreed

[Don John of Austria]

bump

[dUSt]

If anybody lives around these churches and can score me a stained glass window around 2'x4', I'd appreciate it.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' date='May 15 2005, 02:51 PM'] Who cares what the Courts recognize let them confiscate the property let them arrest our bishops  let them revel themselves for what they are , but we are not to surrender to them. As for the Church haveing  no legal authority, you are wrong the Church is the only one with any authority, certianl;y the secular humaist states have no authority at all. [/quote]
I am deeply troubled that this diocese has to suffer such a way; but, like with every other citizen, institution, company, etc., it's subject to state/national laws. Though, I wouldn't be suprised if half of those victums weren't really victums at all. The Church has [b]*divine*[/b] authority, not [b]*legal/political*[/b] authority over other countries. The Vatican can't literally pass a law in Canada, in which it'll over-rule the laws of that land. You can dream about that, but that's not how it is, not anymore.

Now if it was something else (such as being forced to marry homosexuals), then that would be a perfectly valid reason. However in this case, it was the leaders' fault for the sexual abuse crisis; but make no mistake, I wouldn't be suprised if half of these claims that took place 20+ years ago, were actually fabricated.



[b]EDIT:[/b] Why the hell do they (the victums) need over $13 million dollars? Greedy rats.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='May 16 2005, 01:10 PM'] I am deeply troubled that this diocese has to suffer such a way; but, like with every other citizen, institution, company, etc., it's subject to state/national laws. Though, I wouldn't be suprised if half of those victums weren't really victums at all. The Church has [b]*divine*[/b] authority, not [b]*legal/political*[/b] authority over other countries. The Vatican can't literally pass a law in Canada, in which it'll over-rule the laws of that land. You can dream about that, but that's not how it is, not anymore.

Now if it was something else (such as being forced to marry homosexuals), then that would be a perfectly valid reason. However in this case, it was the leaders' fault for the sexual abuse crisis; but make no mistake, I wouldn't be suprised if half of these claims that took place 20+ years ago, were actually fabricated.



[b]EDIT:[/b] Why the hell do they (the victums) need over $13 million dollars? Greedy rats. [/quote]
The Church has all authority, the modern state has Power nothing more, you say the Church " pass a law" which is binding in Canada, I say of course they can't because they won't even try it is bishops duty to stand up for the Church's rights even if that causes the imprisonment or death of the bishop involved, do you thingk the Bishops of the Middle ages got authority over the State without struggle, as Thomas Becket about that. No our bishops appear to have embraced the Idea that the Church is subject to the State... that is heresy by the way. The Church is not subject to the State period, but since most Catholics seem to think it is and that it should be I guess that heresy will set in to our culture like so many others. If our bishops will not struggle what hope is there?

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='May 16 2005, 01:10 PM'] I am deeply troubled that this diocese has to suffer such a way; but, like with every other citizen, institution, company, etc., it's subject to state/national laws. Though, I wouldn't be suprised if half of those victums weren't really victums at all. The Church has [b]*divine*[/b] authority, not [b]*legal/political*[/b] authority over other countries. The Vatican can't literally pass a law in Canada, in which it'll over-rule the laws of that land. You can dream about that, but that's not how it is, not anymore.

Now if it was something else (such as being forced to marry homosexuals), then that would be a perfectly valid reason. However in this case, it was the leaders' fault for the sexual abuse crisis; but make no mistake, I wouldn't be suprised if half of these claims that took place 20+ years ago, were actually fabricated.



[b]EDIT:[/b] Why the hell do they (the victums) need over $13 million dollars? Greedy rats. [/quote]
Look, these are secular governments. When you get right down to it, secular governments only have power because they can back it up. Might makes right. That's the only reason the US can pass laws and keep its citizens in check. Without a God there is no objective right an wrong, therefore, laws have no weight except the weight of armed forces. The Church, on the other hand, IS objective right.

[Don John of Austria]

what you are talking about is power, power is the ability to use force to impose your will, Authority on the other hand is the right to command. The Church has the supreme right to command.