Luthien Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I know how to pray to God without throwing my hands in the air. Gees, you make is sound like all charismatics are all demonstrative lunatics. I know Im not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole8223 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 No, I'm not saying that at all, but in my experience (and I think it was because I was involved with a bad group) many of the people in the group had no firm foundation, including myself. I left in August, and for about 6 months, I had little to no prayer life because I wasn't able to sing to praise and worship and go to the prayer meeting. Since then, I have grown a lot, and come to see a whole new side of prayer and Catholicism. My point was only that it is a danger in the renewal, and I don't think it is wrong to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I think Nicole is right. Like anything it can become abused. There is a real gift of tongues, of healing, of prophecy, but in reality you could go to a charasmatic meeting and find that not a single gift is experienced. We can open ourselves to gifts, but if the Holy Spirit does not chose to use us at a given time then He doesn't. And the Spirit does not foster confusion. I can't say for sure, but I'm willing to bet a goodly deal, over half, of what happens at meetings is emotional and done from peer pressure, but is not a genuine gift. With all things there must be a balance. I guess in a way I'm odd. I'm totally open to any gifts the Spirit would give me, but I'm not going to go looking for them. I love P&W, but I want to be in a mass that is done by the rubrics and follows the norms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey's_Girl Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='May 10 2005, 03:33 PM'] With all things there must be a balance. I guess in a way I'm odd. I'm totally open to any gifts the Spirit would give me, but I'm not going to go looking for them. I love P&W, but I want to be in a mass that is done by the rubrics and follows the norms. [/quote] I'm right there with you, Brother Adam! MG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 sounds to protestant for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Protestantism is in theology, not types of worship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicole8223 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 The important thing to remember is that there is more than just the "charismatic" sense of worship. It is important for us to experience all that God ha, and I know that there are many people who only experience the charismatic aspect. this is a great danger. Charismatics depend a lot on the "community" they are around or belong to, and they cannot depend on that forever. There are some people who practice gifts of the spirit, and raise their hands, and also have a very contemplatiev side, and that is awesome. But it is so important to be more focused on God than any external action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zwergel88 Posted May 11, 2005 Author Share Posted May 11, 2005 (edited) [quote]Â There are some people who practice gifts of the spirit,[/quote] Must I believe that this is true? Is there any like theology or anything regarding this? Because honestly the whole thing freaks me out. Edited May 11, 2005 by zwergel88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogmog Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 [quote]Must I believe that this is true? Is there any like theology or anything regarding this? Because honestly the whole thing freaks me out.[/quote] Rather than presenting my own view, here is what John Paul the Great said about [url="http://ccc.garg.com/ccc/articles/John_Paul/John_Paul_002.html"]charisms[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 [quote name='zwergel88' date='May 11 2005, 04:31 PM'] Must I believe that this is true? Is there any like theology or anything regarding this? Because honestly the whole thing freaks me out. [/quote] If you saw Jesus raise Lazuras from the dead would it freak you out? What about when Peter healed Tabitha? Or when Jesus exorcised the demon? Would it have freaked you out to be at the Pentacost and see the speaking in tongues? It is scary when we don't understand something. I remain cautious always, but when it IS genuine, and someone is drawn closer to God, I praise Him for his fearful and wonderful works. The Holy Spirit is very real and is really working in us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gal. 5:22,23 Posted May 11, 2005 Share Posted May 11, 2005 Are there accounts of any of the saints speaking in tongues? I know some had the gift of healing and prophecy, among others. But I haven't read of any speaking in tongues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_see_things_upside_down Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Several of you speak of Protestantism as if it were a disease, which is to be avoided at all costs. That is just rediculous, just because it is Protestant type of worship mixed in with Catholic does not mean it is wrong. Are you saying God does not like the Protestant form of worship? That he will not accept it? It is VERY Biblical. The Bible says to praise God by raising hands in the air and dancing. Just because something is more Protestant does not mean it is wrong. Yes, it may be different and a little uncomfortable, but you cannot simply reject it as a legitimate form of worship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogmog Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 [quote name='Gal. 5:22,23' date='May 11 2005, 06:09 PM'] Are there accounts of any of the saints speaking in tongues? I know some had the gift of healing and prophecy, among others. But I haven't read of any speaking in tongues. [/quote] I have indeed heard of some that did although I can't remember off the top of my head. I'll post again if I come across them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 [quote name='i_see_things_upside_down' date='May 11 2005, 08:15 PM'] Several of you speak of Protestantism as if it were a disease, which is to be avoided at all costs. That is just rediculous, just because it is Protestant type of worship mixed in with Catholic does not mean it is wrong. Are you saying God does not like the Protestant form of worship? That he will not accept it? It is VERY Biblical. The Bible says to praise God by raising hands in the air and dancing. Just because something is more Protestant does not mean it is wrong. Yes, it may be different and a little uncomfortable, but you cannot simply reject it as a legitimate form of worship! [/quote] You're a Protestant trying to 'pretend' to be Catholic aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 [quote name='Gal. 5:22,23' date='May 11 2005, 07:09 PM'] Are there accounts of any of the saints speaking in tongues? I know some had the gift of healing and prophecy, among others. But I haven't read of any speaking in tongues. [/quote] St. Peter You've got me curious, besides the Apostles I'm interested in who else did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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