Music

[Jaime]

[quote name='Q the Ninja' date='May 13 2005, 02:21 PM'] If it's written by a Protestant, it's not Gregorian chant and normally not polyphony.

Why use it then? [/quote]
Because I generally don't sing Gregorian chants at prayer meetings with my youth group

[Q the Ninja]

Missing out.

J/K. I'm talking about for the Mass setting right now.

[Jaime]

Q

There isn't anyone arguing on the thread that Christian music should be included in liturgy. Certainly not me. (page 1) Some are saying that Christian music has no merit whatsoever. That's what we're debating.

And I'm with you on "no Christian music in liturgies" again.

[Q the Ninja]

I know, sorry, it was an attempt to be funny.

[Q the Ninja]

I also think that it is acceptable to use Protestant songs, [i]if[/i] they do [b]not[/b] contradict our faith. However, the problem (or better danger) with using them is that people think that they are the height of what we believe, or the height of worship. We sing praise and worship in my youth group, which is how I came to be involved in the Church. However, people must also be introduced to that which is richer and deeper, and I know that many people in my youth group don't think that Gregorian Chant is the deeper. (I'm also not cutting those people down either, but I do wish to make a point.

The problem with everyone always using praise and worship is they fail to see that which is deeper. Now, I'm not cutting this down in any way, but I do wish it led to a fuller Faith.

There, I've given my two cents on the subject.

Edited May 14, 2005 by Q the Ninja

[Mrvoll]

Hey!

Sure it is fun to read this thread, BUT we must say what I asked.


Thanks

[Cam42]

[quote name='Mrvoll' date='May 3 2005, 06:40 PM'] What non-catholic christian songs contridicts the catholic docturine?

Please ignore the spelling [/quote]
You mean that one????

I still think that Amazing Grace is one...remember, we are not wretches....there are literally thousands of others.....too many to name.....Now, all we have to do is wait for hot stuff to say something contrary, because he doesn't think I know anything about music.

Thankfully, I do know something about theology...

Cam

[Jaime]

Did I ever say you didn't know anything about music??

I've stated my opinion. Are there Christian songs that go against Catholic doctrine? Maybe but not "thousands" as Cam suggests. Your sola fide argument and sola scriptura argument fall flat when I mention the fact that most Christian music is about a personal relationship so they do not apply.

Most are fine. Can we find a few? Sure. I don't know what they are. "Mary Did You Know" is a wonderful example of a Christian song that does not violate Church doctrine anywhere. Would people enjoy it more if it was written by a Catholic? Ridiculous!!

Cam doesn't like Amazing Grace. He doesn't have to listen to it. But it also doesn't go against Church doctrine. (Whether he likes it or not)

[Cam42]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='May 13 2005, 02:34 PM'] Because I generally don't sing Gregorian chants at prayer meetings with my youth group [/quote]
Why not??

Man what a teaching moment that would be...you could fulfill a command of the Church and make better singers out of those budding Catholics....

You already think Latin is proper....

Cam

[Jaime]

[quote name='Cam42' date='May 14 2005, 05:22 PM'] Why not??

Man what a teaching moment that would be...you could fulfill a command of the Church and make better singers out of those budding Catholics....

You already think Latin is proper....

Cam [/quote]
Reason #12 why Camster will never lead a youth group.

[Cam42]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='May 14 2005, 05:31 PM'] Reason #12 why Camster will never lead a youth group. [/quote]
Of course, I founded the youth group with (now Fr. )Chris Beaudet at St. Agnes.....

reason #1 that Cam is right.

[Jaime]

LOL

[Priscilla]

There is quite a lot in the Mass I find unScriptural (except the Benedictus).

However the bit that puzzles me most is this:

In the CREDO we sing the words "begotten, NOT [b]made[/b]"

Yet later on we sing "and was [b]made[/b] man"

Surely, this is a contradiction?

[Guest Andre]

[quote name='Mrvoll' date='May 3 2005, 06:40 PM'] What non-catholic christian songs contridicts the catholic docturine?

Please ignore the spelling [/quote]
where did you Vatican flag icon?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Priscilla' date='May 23 2005, 07:41 AM'] There is quite a lot in the Mass I find unScriptural (except the Benedictus).

However the bit that puzzles me most is this:

In the CREDO we sing the words "begotten, NOT [b]made[/b]"

Yet later on we sing "and was [b]made[/b] man"

Surely, this is a contradiction? [/quote]
This is from [i]Fides[/i] post in open mic:
Biblical Background of Texts Used during the Mass...

The Entrance Rite:
Sign of the Cross (Matt 28:19; cf. John 14:13-14; Acts 2:21)
Formal Greetings:
A- “The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ…” (2 Cor 13:14)
B- “The grace and peace of God our Father…” (Eph 1:2)
C- “The Lord be with you.” (2 Tim 4:22; cf. Matt 1:23; 28:20)
Lord, Have Mercy (Matt 15:22; 17:15; 20:30-31)
Glory to God (Luke 2:14; cf. Rev 4:11; 5:11-14)
Prayers & Amen (Neh 8:6; Ps 41:13; Rom 16:27; Heb 13:20-21; Rev 7:16)

The Liturgy of the Word:
Alleluia (Psalms 146-150; Rev 19:1-6)
Profession of Faith (Mark 9:24; John 11:27)

The Liturgy of the Eucharist:
Holy, Holy, Holy (Isa 6:3; Rev 4:8);
Blessed is he… (Ps 118:26; Mark 11:10)
Words of Institution (Mark 14:22-24; Matt 26:26-28; Luke 22:19-20; 1Cor 11:23-25)
Memorial Acclamations:
A- “Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again” (cf. 1 Thess 4:14-15; 1 Cor 15:3-23)
B- “Dying you destroyed our death…” (1 Cor 16:22)
C- “When we eat this bread…” (1 Cor 11:26)
D- “Lord, by your cross and resurrection…” (Luke 4:42)
Lord’s Prayer (Matt 6:9-13; Luke 11:2-4; cf. Mark 14:36; Gal 4:6)
Doxology: "for the kingdom, the power, and the glory..." (after Matt 6:13 only in some biblical manuscripts; cf. Rev 4:11)
Greeting of Peace (John 14:27; 16:33; 20:19-20; 20:26)
Lamb of God (John 1:29, 36; cf. Rev 5:6-13; 22:1-3)
Communion Preparation: “Lord I am not worthy…” (Luke 7:1-10)